Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer
Matt, Don't believe everything you read. I have unfortunately been a target over the years because I rented machines to Esthost. But the stories made up are way out there. It's all very easy a dedicated server / customer relationship - nothing more. Never did I ignore anymore from the abuse community. Go ahead and find me a IP address that did any spam or anything. You won't find it, I can't remember the last time I got any Spamcop complaints. Not even going to mention Spamhaus because we all know there abuse. "We asked a handful of Intercage's most vocal critics if they sent take down requests to Kacperski. None said yes. "In his defense, what may have finally happened is that malware researchers stopped bothering to report" abusive sites," Eckelberry says." None said YES! That pretty much sums it all up. Maybe I could of reached out more, I guess that was my mistake. But it surely is impossible to deal with if you have to deal with people like John Reid. Thanks! Contact: Emil Kacperski Company: Intercage Inc. - Atrivo Dedicated Servers San Francisco Datacenter E-Mail: emil@intercage.com Phone: 925-550-3947 ICQ: 23531098
Considering the years of abuse, DNSBL listings, ROKSO listings, further abuse, and silence at the abuse switch, I _CERTAINLY_ would not send Atrivo abuse reports, I would send them to the upstreams instead. Considering the almost 40 page white paper produced last month on the abuse from Atrivo, for me to change this practice, I would require: * a rapid, and verifiable response from Atrivo here over some period of time exceeding several months, and continuing thereafter, * the clearing of SBL/ROKSO records, and * a general reduction of abuse eminating from Atrivo. Andrew Emil Kacperski wrote:
Matt,
Don't believe everything you read. I have unfortunately been a target over the years because I rented machines to Esthost. But the stories made up are way out there. It's all very easy a dedicated server / customer relationship - nothing more.
Never did I ignore anymore from the abuse community. Go ahead and find me a IP address that did any spam or anything. You won't find it, I can't remember the last time I got any Spamcop complaints. Not even going to mention Spamhaus because we all know there abuse.
"We asked a handful of Intercage's most vocal critics if they sent take down requests to Kacperski. None said yes. "In his defense, what may have finally happened is that malware researchers stopped bothering to report" abusive sites," Eckelberry says."
None said YES! That pretty much sums it all up. Maybe I could of reached out more, I guess that was my mistake. But it surely is impossible to deal with if you have to deal with people like John Reid.
Thanks!
Contact: Emil Kacperski
Company: Intercage Inc. - Atrivo
Dedicated Servers
San Francisco Datacenter
E-Mail: emil@intercage.com
Phone: 925-550-3947
ICQ: 23531098
Greetings, I can further vouch for this... an unusually large amount of botnets reported to DroneBL have command and control servers on Atrivo's network. With the amount of listings and reports I get, it is obvious that Atrivo does not care about the abuse@ inbox... which is unfortunate. William On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 16:49 -0400, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
Considering the years of abuse, DNSBL listings, ROKSO listings, further abuse, and silence at the abuse switch, I _CERTAINLY_ would not send Atrivo abuse reports, I would send them to the upstreams instead. Considering the almost 40 page white paper produced last month on the abuse from Atrivo, for me to change this practice, I would require: * a rapid, and verifiable response from Atrivo here over some period of time exceeding several months, and continuing thereafter, * the clearing of SBL/ROKSO records, and * a general reduction of abuse eminating from Atrivo.
Andrew
Emil Kacperski wrote:
Matt,
Don't believe everything you read. I have unfortunately been a target over the years because I rented machines to Esthost. But the stories made up are way out there. It's all very easy a dedicated server / customer relationship - nothing more.
Never did I ignore anymore from the abuse community. Go ahead and find me a IP address that did any spam or anything. You won't find it, I can't remember the last time I got any Spamcop complaints. Not even going to mention Spamhaus because we all know there abuse.
"We asked a handful of Intercage's most vocal critics if they sent take down requests to Kacperski. None said yes. "In his defense, what may have finally happened is that malware researchers stopped bothering to report" abusive sites," Eckelberry says."
None said YES! That pretty much sums it all up. Maybe I could of reached out more, I guess that was my mistake. But it surely is impossible to deal with if you have to deal with people like John Reid.
Thanks!
Contact: Emil Kacperski
Company: Intercage Inc. - Atrivo
Dedicated Servers
San Francisco Datacenter
E-Mail: emil@intercage.com
Phone: 925-550-3947
ICQ: 23531098
Emil Kacperski wrote:
Don't believe everything you read. I have unfortunately been a target over the years because I rented machines to Esthost. But the stories made up are way out there. It's all very easy a dedicated server / customer relationship - nothing more.
I don't have to believe what I read. I did the research, and I helped write the reports. Have to say I'm VERY proud of contributing to getting you offline. It's not just estdomains. In fact very little of them is related to you. It's the botnet controllers, spam, phishing sites, etc. If you think those things trivial then you need to remain offline.
Never did I ignore anymore from the abuse community. Go ahead and find me a IP address that did any spam or anything. You won't find it, I can't remember the last time I got any Spamcop complaints. Not even going to mention Spamhaus because we all know there abuse.
You ignored MY abuse complaints. You ignored MY emails to cooperate in getting your net cleaned up. I have HUNDREDS of malware samples using your nets as CnC just in the last few months! So rather than wasting my time emailing your abuse blackhole I helped write a report about you. Time well spent I think.
"We asked a handful of Intercage's most vocal critics if they sent take down requests to Kacperski. None said yes. "In his defense, what may have finally happened is that malware researchers stopped bothering to report" abusive sites," Eckelberry says."
They didn't ask me. I sent plenty. And if you read his full comments I'm sure he goes on to say "because they were tired of having their time wasted by you ignoring them for YEARS!" But this thread isn't what nanog is for. We should end this here, until Emil finds someone else willing to peer his crap. Then we can decide how to get that handled. Matt
None said YES! That pretty much sums it all up. Maybe I could of reached out more, I guess that was my mistake. But it surely is impossible to deal with if you have to deal with people like John Reid.
Thanks!
Contact: Emil Kacperski
Company: Intercage Inc. - Atrivo
Dedicated Servers
San Francisco Datacenter
E-Mail: emil@intercage.com
Phone: 925-550-3947
ICQ: 23531098
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William Pitcock