Hi, I'm in the middle of transitioning all of my IRR data from RADb to ARIN and as part of this I am trying to get old stale IRR data cleaned up that other providers have put in place in the past. While doing this I was using the nlnog IRR explorer website and found that a company that I peer with on a public exchange has my ASN listed in an as-macro that they control. The way the as-macro is named I am reasonably confident that they aren't using it for transit related activity, rather they are likely using it for controlling peering activity and filtering on the IX in question. Part of me is okay with this, but given that I've never seen this behavior from any other provider on the three reasonably large exchanges that we participate on I am curious what the community thinks about this. Is this uncommon but acceptable in the eyes of community? Thanks, Graham
Hi Graham, Maybe your ASN is not a virgin ASN, someone used it. You should notify every object's former owner or the current maintainer to remove it, or contact RADb or ARIN to help you remove them. But I think that RADb was easier to use than ARIN before, the current version of RADb is not user-friendly. Regards, David From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Graham Johnston Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 10:19 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: IRR Cleanliness Hi, I'm in the middle of transitioning all of my IRR data from RADb to ARIN and as part of this I am trying to get old stale IRR data cleaned up that other providers have put in place in the past. While doing this I was using the nlnog IRR explorer website and found that a company that I peer with on a public exchange has my ASN listed in an as-macro that they control. The way the as-macro is named I am reasonably confident that they aren't using it for transit related activity, rather they are likely using it for controlling peering activity and filtering on the IX in question. Part of me is okay with this, but given that I've never seen this behavior from any other provider on the three reasonably large exchanges that we participate on I am curious what the community thinks about this. Is this uncommon but acceptable in the eyes of community? Thanks, Graham
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 02:19:10PM +0000, Graham Johnston wrote: [snip]
While doing this I was using the nlnog IRR explorer website and found that a company that I peer with on a public exchange has my ASN listed in an as-macro that they control. The way the as-macro
Being listed in an as-macro doesn't affect your use of the AS or use of it in any IRR. Many providers will list customers (for filter generation) without express consent. Some folks will lump peers in categories through IRR data. There's certainly nothing amiss in using as-macros even for non-neighbors in a number of cases, enumerting ASNs one will [de]preference from a certain set of peers or will drop entirely for example. Often such policies exist but aren't published. ;-) Cheers! Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling
On Sat 15 Dec 2018 at 09:17, Joe Provo <nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net> wrote:
Being listed in an as-macro doesn't affect your use of the AS or use of it in any IRR.
Many providers will list customers (for filter generation) without express consent. Some folks will lump peers in categories through IRR data. There's certainly nothing amiss in using as-macros even for non-neighbors in a number of cases, enumerting ASNs one will [de]preference from a certain set of peers or will drop entirely for example.
Often such policies exist but aren't published. ;-)
Cheers!
Joe
-- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling
+1 I wouldn’t see this as odd behaviour either. Mick
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