Here we go with the InterNIC. I've been a longstanding cheerleader for the NIC, but I have to put all of that aside on this one. Today, without notice, the InterNIC turned "off" the domain name NASA.COM, a domain which had been registered now for over two years. In the letter that follows, the InterNIC claims that the registration of NASA.COM violates the Space Act of 1958. The Space Act of 1958, which is found at http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/amendact.html , states: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sec. 310. (a) No person may...knowingly use...the letters 'NASA'...as a firm business name in a manner reasonably calculated to convey the impression that such firm or bueinss has some connection with, endorsement of or authorization from, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration...or...use (the NASA ackronym)...with any product or service being offered...to convey (endorsement or affiliation with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration). (b) Whenever it appears to the Attorney General that any person is engaged in an act or practice which constitutes or will constitute (a violation of the above), the Attorney General may initiate a civil proceeding in a district court of the United States to enjoin such act or practice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clearly NASA.COM and its content (which had nothing to do with space) was not violating the Space Act of 1958. I'm extremely disappointed. The action taken by the InterNIC also violates their own dispute policy, found at ftp://rs.internic.net/policy/internic/internic-domain-6.txt . Revision 02, effective Sept 9 1996, quoted: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Second-level domain names are registered on a first-come, first-serve basis. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .. NASA.GOV was registered on Jan 7, 1986. NASA decided at that time that GOV was the most appropriate domain name, and chose NOT to register NASA.COM. This was over nine years ago. .. NASA.COM was registered on June 25, 1995 - over two years ago. A domain name existed for over two years, and after ONE DAY the InterNIC pulls the plug. No dispute policy. No questions. domain policy paraphrased: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Revocation. Registrant agrees that Network Solutions shall have the right in its sole discrection to revoke a Domain Name from registration UPON THIRTY DAYS PRIOR WRITTEN NOTICE, OR AT SUCH TIME AS ORDERED BY A COURT... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .. Again, NSI violating its own policy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Third Party Dispute Initiation. Registrant acknowledges and agrees that Network Solutions CANNOT ACT AS AN ARBITER OF DISPUTES ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .. (except when they feel like making exceptions). .. NSI also states throughout section 6 of the dispute policy that it will request information and wait 30 days upon any formal complaint. The letters that NSI received were dated July 10 and 11, respectively. They didn't even *bother* to ask. The slide at http://rs.internic.net/presentations/dont/dcisoc/tsld015.html clearly states that a domain name has value and that the policy buys time for dispute resolution. The InterNIC played Judge, Jury and Executioner in this highly irrational and ill-thought move. I welcome comments. Here is the letter sent from Dave Graves. Dave Graves' title is listed as "Contracts Administrator" in NSI's IPO filing. It is listed as "Business Manager" in "THE" 1995 press release announcing the $50 annual fee.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:24:34 -0400 From: "Graves, Dave" <GravesD@US-Herndon-NSI.mail.SAIC.com> To: "'operations@host.net'" <operations@host.net>, "'hostmaster@host.net'" <hostmaster@host.net> Subject: Domain Name NASA.COM
July 11, 1997
SENT VIA EMAIL operations@host.net <mailto:operations@host.net> AND hostmaster@host.net AND FEDERAL EXPRESS
The Epicenter Network 1344 Broadway, Suite 211 Hewlett, NY 11557
SUBJECT:Domain Name NASA.COM
Dear Domain Name Registrant:
Network Solutions, Inc. (Network Solutions) is in receipt of a July 10, 1997, notice from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) regarding your registration of the domain name NASA.COM. NASA has alleged that Network Solutions is "aiding and abetting this registrant to maintain [your] domain name registration", and has demanded that Network Solutions "cease and desist allowing the registration of the Internet domain name NASA.COM." A copy of NASA's letter is enclosed for your information.
As the registrar of domain names, Network Solutions has neither the knowledge of, nor the authority or responsibility to police the content of registrants' web sites. Accordingly, Network Solutions has no comment upon, nor does it consider relevant, NASA's demand as it pertains to the content of your web site.
Network Solutions is seriously concerned, however, that The National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958, as amended, clearly prohibits the knowing use of the letters "NASA" in connection with a product or service "in a manner reasonably calculated to convey the impression that such product or service has the authorization, support, sponsorship, or endorsement of [NASA] which does not in fact exist." The enclosed letter clearly sets forth NASA's opinion that the registration and use of the domain name NASA.COM, without the authority or approval of NASA, constitutes a violation of United Stated federal law. See 42 U.S.C. 2459(b).
In addition, Network Solutions is in receipt of a July 11, 1997, letter from the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) regarding your registration of the domain name NASA.COM. The FTC holds the opinion that the "continued registration and use of NASA.COM . . . in [its] current format is likely to mislead consumers in violation of the Federal Trade Commission Act." It is also the FTC's opinion that "it is inappropriate and perhaps unlawful for [Network] Solutions to continue to provide domain-name assistance to [the registrant], knowing that current use of [this name] likely violates federal law." A copy of the FTC's letter is enclosed for your information.
Network Solutions neither violates federal statues, nor acts in any manner which does, or creates the appearance that Network Solutions aids and abets such violations. Accordingly, in response to the notice provided in the enclosed letters and upon advice of counsel, Network Solutions is immediately deactivating the domain name NASA.COM.
Sincerely,
David M. Graves Internet Business Manager
Enclosures (with Federal Express only)
Cc:Philip Sbarbaro, Esq. (w/o enclosures) Alan Kennedy, Esq. (w/o enclosures) Paul Luehr, Esq. (w/o enclosures)
-- jamie g.k. rishaw dal/efnet:gavroche Internet Access Group 'whois JGR2' for PGP keyID/Fingerprint __ Network Operations/TSD DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800.637.4IAGx5455 "The machine's fine. It just doesn't work." -dan@nic.net
Here we go with the InterNIC.
I've been a longstanding cheerleader for the NIC, but I have to put all of that aside on this one.
Today, without notice, the InterNIC turned "off" the domain name NASA.COM, a domain which had been registered now for over two years.
In the letter that follows, the InterNIC claims that the registration of NASA.COM violates the Space Act of 1958. The Space Act of 1958, which is found at http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/amendact.html , states:
[summary of InterNIC's violations of its own policies snipped] [letter from InterNIC snipped] At first your letter dismayed me. It truly appeared that the InterNIC was violating its own policies (perhaps they still are) and that the space act of 1958 should not apply if your web site really had nothing to with NASA, space, etc. I went to your web site, however.
server 209.4.122.20 Default Server: ns1.host.net Address: 209.4.122.20
www.nasa.com Server: ns1.host.net Address: 209.4.122.20
Name: www.nasa.com Address: 209.4.122.102 What I found indeed had nothing to do with space exploration. What I found was an ad for some kind of porno/sex service, a comment about the domain being taken away from you, and then a link to host.net's main page. It appears that you have nothing to do with space exploration, or should I sufice to say nothing to do with anything. From my perspecitve, you are using the domain nasa.com in an effort to advertise to people who miss-enter the URL for NASA.gov, and with the current Mars Pathfinder mission, I'm sure thats quite a few. These being the facts, I think the space act of 1958 DOES apply to you. However, I still feel the InterNIC should have given you thirty days to dispute your case. I imagine if you wish to make a legal case out of it that you could get a temporary restraining order again the InterNIC; but in the long run you will loose the case, because you fail to have one. [Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, and I am not representing AIS in this post; these are just my personal opinions on the issue.] /ajd/ -- _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Andrew J. Doane _/ _/ _/ _/ Director, Network Operations _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ American Information Systems, Inc. _/ _/ _/ _/ Email: adoane@ais.net, http://www.ais.net _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ (312) 255-8500 Voice, (312) 255-8501 Fax For my PGP public key, email me with the subject "pgp request"
On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, Andrew J. Doane wrote:
Today, without notice, the InterNIC turned "off" the domain name NASA.COM, a domain which had been registered now for over two years.
[blah]
www.nasa.com Server: ns1.host.net Address: 209.4.122.20
Name: www.nasa.com Address: 209.4.122.102
What I found indeed had nothing to do with space exploration. What I found was an ad for some kind of porno/sex service, a comment about the domain being taken away from you, and then a link to host.net's main page. It appears that you have nothing to do with space exploration, or should I sufice to say nothing to do with anything. From my perspecitve, you are using the domain nasa.com in an effort to advertise to people who miss-enter the URL for NASA.gov, and with the current Mars Pathfinder mission, I'm sure thats quite a few. These being the
Of course. If you are running Netscape, type 'nasa'in the location box, and Netscape will morph it into 'nasa.com' and thus take you to their porn site. You get nood dames instead of barren landscapes.
InterNIC; but in the long run you will loose the case, because you fail to have one. [Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, and I am not
I played a lawyer once in a school play. Bill
At 03:36 AM 7/12/97 -0400, Jamie Rishaw wrote:
Today, without notice, the InterNIC turned "off" the domain name NASA.COM, a domain which had been registered now for over two years.
current status as of 97/07/12 09:56 am: mail# whois nasa.com The Epicenter Network (NASA2-DOM) 1344 Broadway, Suite 211 Hewlett, New York 11557 US Domain Name: NASA.COM Domain Status: On Hold Record last updated on 11-Jul-97. Record created on 22-Jun-95. Database last updated on 12-Jul-97 04:23:14 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.HOST.NET 209.4.122.20 NS2.HOST.NET 209.4.122.30 www.nasa.com is reachable.
Larry Vaden wrote: # www.nasa.com is reachable. So what about these: Computerized Horizons (FCC2-DOM) 2490 Black Rock Tpke. #309 Fairfield, CT 06430-2404 Domain Name: FCC.COM Congressional Communications (CONGRESS-DOM) 361 Judd Farm Road Watertown, CT 06795 Domain Name: CONGRESS.COM Voice of the Senate (SENATE2-DOM) 515 Watertown Ave., Suite 160 Waterbury, CT 06708 Domain Name: SENATE.COM Foreign Service Review Inc. (HOUSE2-DOM) Route 1 Box 750-F Elgin, TX 78621 Domain Name: HOUSE.COM How about these next two? Receiving a letter from the FTC would be getting off easy. :-) Army Corner Cubes (ARMY-DOM) 3405-B Triana Blvd. #1136 Huntsville, AL 35805 Domain Name: ARMY.COM The CPS Group (AIRFORCE-DOM) P.O. Box 619200 DFW Airport Dallas, TX 75261-9600 USA Domain Name: AIRFORCE.COM Bob -- ====================================================================== bob izenberg signet network operations +1 (512) 306-0700 icq# 1378466 (w) 1417924 (h) ======================================================================
Jamie Rishaw wrote:
Here we go with the InterNIC.
Jamie, Where else is this being discussed? I would like to comment but do not wish to cause offense by doing it here. Also, was this action pursuant to a court order or simply without color of law? Eric Weisberg, Gen. Counsel Internet Texoma, Inc. The ISP which DIDN'T
I think this discussion is probably best homed on com-priv@lists.psi.com.
Jamie Rishaw wrote:
Here we go with the InterNIC.
Jamie,
Where else is this being discussed? I would like to comment but do not wish to cause offense by doing it here. Also, was this action pursuant to a court order or simply without color of law?
Eric Weisberg, Gen. Counsel Internet Texoma, Inc. The ISP which DIDN'T
-- jamie g.k. rishaw dal/efnet:gavroche Internet Access Group 'whois JGR2' for PGP keyID/Fingerprint __ Network Operations/TSD DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800.637.4IAGx5455 "The machine's fine. It just doesn't work." -dan@nic.net
At 10:07 PM -0400 7/12/97, Jamie Rishaw wrote:
I think this discussion is probably best homed on com-priv@lists.psi.com.
Send a message to listproc@lists.psi.com that says subscribe com-priv your@email.address ******************************************************** Michael Dillon voice: +1-415-482-2840 Senior Systems Architect fax: +1-415-482-2844 PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net "The People You Know. The People You Trust." ********************************************************
I am certain that there is much more to this story that we do not yet know. Check out the WHOIS records for internic.net, internic.com, and internic.org if you don't believe me. ********************************************************* J.D. Falk voice: +1-415-482-2840 Supervisor, Network Operations fax: +1-415-482-2844 PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net "The People You Know. The People You Trust." *********************************************************
On Sun, Jul 13, 1997 at 04:14:42PM -0700, J.D. Falk wrote:
Check out the WHOIS records for internic.net, internic.com, and internic.org if you don't believe me.
And am I the only one who thinks that the name of the organization that holds internic.org is a retronym? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Unsolicited Commercial Emailers Sued The Suncoast Freenet "People propose, science studies, technology Tampa Bay, Florida conforms." -- Dr. Don Norman +1 813 790 7592
If I remember correctly, NSI does *NOT* own the name "InterNIC" nor does it own www.internic.net . I forget where I heard it from, but I know it was a NSI employee.
I am certain that there is much more to this story that we do not yet know.
Check out the WHOIS records for internic.net, internic.com, and internic.org if you don't believe me.
********************************************************* J.D. Falk voice: +1-415-482-2840 Supervisor, Network Operations fax: +1-415-482-2844 PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net "The People You Know. The People You Trust." *********************************************************
-- jamie g.k. rishaw dal/efnet:gavroche Internet Access Group 'whois JGR2' for PGP keyID/Fingerprint __ Network Operations/TSD DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800.637.4IAGx5455 "The machine's fine. It just doesn't work." -dan@nic.net
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, Jamie Rishaw wrote:
If I remember correctly, NSI does *NOT* own the name "InterNIC" nor does it own www.internic.net .
I forget where I heard it from, but I know it was a NSI employee.
For what its worth, I was told that Internic was a Trademark of AT&T... I also heard that from a NSI employee. Maybe Carl would know better.. Christian
On Sun, Jul 13, 1997 at 09:26:12PM -0400, Jamie Rishaw wrote:
If I remember correctly, NSI does *NOT* own the name "InterNIC" nor does it own www.internic.net .
AT&T owns the trademark on InterNIC. Alec -- +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ |Alec Peterson - ahp@hilander.com | Erols Internet Services, INC. | |Network Engineer | Springfield, VA. | +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
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Alec H. Peterson
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Andrew J. Doane
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Bill Becker
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Bob Izenberg
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Christian Nielsen
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Eric Weisberg
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Larry Vaden
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Michael Dillon
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