RE: bgp geopolitical analysis (warning: zero operational content. or so.)
How about mapping BGP info to Per Capita Income. I imagine you might see a better correlation there. McLean -----Original Message----- From: k claffy [mailto:kc@ipn.caida.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:46 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Cc: elfcore@caida.org Subject: bgp geopolitical analysis (warning: zero operational content. or so.) one of caida's elves (brad) did a cool visualization of demographic measures of Internet resources, stratified by continent with substratification by country (with help of CIA factbook, RouteViews, and NetGeo). http://www.caida.org/analysis/geopolitical/bgp2country/ measures: geographic area, human population, GDP, phones-in-use, ASes, ISPs, prefixes, addresses.... nothing overwhelmingly surprising here but compelling nonetheless (yes, it turns out data can be both) k // things are not what they seem to be, nor are they otherwise. -lankavatara sutra //
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Pickett, Mclean wrote: : : How about mapping BGP info to Per Capita Income. I imagine you might :see a better correlation there. Bill Cheswick did some work in mapping ASN's to countries, (among other things) particularly with his work monitoring BGP tables during the Kosovo troubles. I can't find the link to it, but I thoughtit was on CAIDA somewhere. I'm sure he's on the list and could provide the link, assuming he reads this message. I tried to assemble something like this (ASN to country mapping) a couple of years ago when I was looking into the feasabililty of data sanctions against different countries. I decided that it was feasable, and promptly neglected to follow up on actually doing the data corelation. (also known as the 'science' of it in hindsight...) The data that started this thread provides some interesting insight into that very problem. As the major players online converge, we aren't so much seeing a crystalizing effect (like telcom networks) as we are a congealing of networks into geopolitical clots. As wars are fought using sanctions and attacks on infrastructure, our understanding of geography is changing from geopolitical to what could best be described as "geocorporative". -- batz
On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:56:01PM -0500, Pickett, Mclean wrote: mclean How about mapping BGP info to Per Capita Income. I imagine you might see a better correlation there. actually, you don't. also note that it's not the same kind of metric, because there is no 'whole pie' to cut up -- you're dealing with per-country means. also note that per capita income really isn't wildly different in the US versus other Internet-using countries -- but brad obliged you anyway, capita income is in here: http://www.caida.org/~bhuffake/temp/temp.png i'm not gonna add it to the real page because the type of metric is fundamentally different enough to be confusing, and it doesn't add any additional insight. k McLean -----Original Message----- From: k claffy [mailto:kc@ipn.caida.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:46 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Cc: elfcore@caida.org Subject: bgp geopolitical analysis (warning: zero operational content. or so.) one of caida's elves (brad) did a cool visualization of demographic measures of Internet resources, stratified by continent with substratification by country (with help of CIA factbook, RouteViews, and NetGeo). http://www.caida.org/analysis/geopolitical/bgp2country/ measures: geographic area, human population, GDP, phones-in-use, ASes, ISPs, prefixes, addresses.... nothing overwhelmingly surprising here but compelling nonetheless (yes, it turns out data can be both) k // things are not what they seem to be, nor are they otherwise. -lankavatara sutra //
k claffy wrote:
but brad obliged you anyway, capita income is in here: http://www.caida.org/~bhuffake/temp/temp.png
This one is interesting :-) http://www.caida.org/~bhuffake/temp/silly.png John
On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 03:33:39PM -0600, John Kristoff wrote: k claffy wrote:
but brad obliged you anyway, capita income is in here: http://www.caida.org/~bhuffake/temp/temp.png
This one is interesting :-) http://www.caida.org/~bhuffake/temp/silly.png John oh man, k's elf gets punchy w axislabels; sorry about that, i'll close the directory and make him take a vacation :)
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