The weekend is quiet and I know that many of the people on this list still desire a gmail invite/account. So, here's a list of 30 invites. First come, first serve. Please use only one invite and save the rest for others. Enjoy. Todd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-c817d0858f-ea71985e2a http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-c263a6bea6-669b8bb2bd http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-14bb63949b-fdbdcdaa8d http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-ff9176b257-9b5091eb63 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-ba42cfa018-a2a6016392 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-dde4346f8d-9f8f4e88f1 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-cb5aec3c6f-d358f9c4f3 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-5f3485e69d-87e9173a91 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-ef546952c9-073f122bf4 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-86098056db-2274bd9075 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-6c14eb5ce1-805444bc74 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-f9c13d6f9d-c10913edc1 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-e3a737aa64-1be3a293ed http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-4911462937-88cd27b39e http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-7a7e7e41f7-85ae75f5e8 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-effc7d5d90-dd3da7740f http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-fdb8f59cec-2959c228b4 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-8074964a1b-a38511284c http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-ff54f51d51-dd6eb35673 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-01c7087c0d-6bbd4cacf9 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-8b9450d76c-6efd48d658 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-2f01b541da-d835216e2c http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-a7862e3f24-ed24925c61 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-f2f7bad1af-466d3c86bf http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-a01eedc4b4-82427f41fe http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-7c05d37676-234e6cdd88 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-3b10137116-1bdeb903ad http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-f86192adad-04a277bebc http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-1530fb1b72-723aca0685 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-42cfca4f35-88cb890165
On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 11:44:10AM -0600, Todd Mitchell - lists wrote:
The weekend is quiet and I know that many of the people on this list
[snip] 'Quiet' isn't a bad thing. In an operations context it is a GOOD thing. Please don't mistake volume for value. Followup to /dev/null. -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
On 09/11/04, some dork with a gmail account wrote:
The weekend is quiet and I know that many of the people on this list still desire a gmail invite/account. So, here's a list of 30 invites. First come, first serve. Please use only one invite and save the rest for others.
How can there POSSIBLY be anyone left on NANOG who wants a gmail invite and hasn't gotten one? If you're out there, oh mythical gmail desirer, take one of these thirty. But for ghod's sake, the list doesn't need any more invitations. -- J.D. Falk "...one of the worst signs of our danger <jdfalk@cybernothing.org> is we can't imagine the route from here to utopia." -- Kim Stanley Robinson
i still can't understand why anyone would want a gmail account, free or not. not just "anyone on nanog". anyone, anywhere, ever. the reasons "why not" are compelling enough. but there are no counterbalancing reasons "why to", either compelling or otherwise. i just don't get it. the approach shown in <http://www.vix.com/personalcolo/> makes sense to me. the gmail / aol.com / yahoo.com / etc approach does not. -- Paul Vixie
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:33:40 -0400 Chris Brenton <cbrenton@chrisbrenton.org> wrote:
On Sat, 2004-09-11 at 22:26, Paul Vixie wrote:
i still can't understand why anyone would want a gmail account, free or not.
But..but..but..it's "special". You have to be invited. ;-)
well, i think at this point everyone on nanog can consider themselves "invited". now can we please stop this? aarrgghh, richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security
In message <g38ybgi5nd.fsf@sa.vix.com>, Paul Vixie writes:
i still can't understand why anyone would want a gmail account, free or not.
not just "anyone on nanog". anyone, anywhere, ever. the reasons "why not" are compelling enough. but there are no counterbalancing reasons "why to", either compelling or otherwise.
I agree. The privacy implications are *really* scary. (And they're sufficiently worse for non-subscribers that I've contemplated blocking gmail-bound messages from my (personal) systems.) --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb
At 10:54 PM 9/11/2004, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message <g38ybgi5nd.fsf@sa.vix.com>, Paul Vixie writes:
i still can't understand why anyone would want a gmail account, free or not.
not just "anyone on nanog". anyone, anywhere, ever. the reasons "why not" are compelling enough. but there are no counterbalancing reasons "why to", either compelling or otherwise.
I agree. The privacy implications are *really* scary. (And they're sufficiently worse for non-subscribers that I've contemplated blocking gmail-bound messages from my (personal) systems.)
And here I thought I was the only one to seriously consider blocking gmail (to and from) because of the security implications. As for the invites, I find it interesting just how many folks have been taken in by their very clever marketing scheme that's gotten lots of smart people to spamvertise gmail (and orkut for that matter). I agree with Paul Vixie in not seeing the attraction at all.
On Sep 11, 2004, at 11:40 PM, Daniel Senie wrote:
And here I thought I was the only one to seriously consider blocking gmail (to and from) because of the security implications.
Hope you are blocking every non-personal mail server on the planet. I'm with Paul on the "makes sense" to run your own personal mail server - for me, and others who _can_ run their own mail server. For those who can't, public mail servers are all "scary". Gmail is no more scary than hotmail, yahoo, msn, verizon, earthlink, or any of a billion other mail systems on the 'Net. Put another way, how many of you have mailboxes on your personal server for friends and family without the clue / time / motivation to run their own mail server? Should we all block you because you can read / store / sort / examine / virus check their mail? People like it when someone else takes care of the back-end details. And if someone else is doing that, then someone else can read their personal stuff. Period, end of discussion. Deal with it. Or cut yourself off from e-mail. Your e-mail, your decision. Just please stop complaining to the rest of us how scared you are that some mail admin on the other end of a port 25 connection might read something you sent to one of their users. It's so... 1970s. -- TTFN, patrick
I'm with Paul on the "makes sense" to run your own personal mail server - for me, and others who _can_ run their own mail server. For those who can't, public mail servers are all "scary". Gmail is no more scary than hotmail, yahoo, msn, verizon, earthlink, or any of a billion other mail systems on the 'Net.
I don't think most people think it's scary at all. Most people don't really care what might happen to their email before they get it, just as long as they get it. It's another variation on "So what if someone hacks my computer, there's nothing important on it."
And here I thought I was the only one to seriously consider blocking gmail (to and from) because of the security implications.
I find it interesting how many people are concerned with sending email to gmail users yet are quite willing to send email to public mailing lists that are archived and indexed by Google. Does anyone really believe that people will use gmail as their one and only email account? Perhaps they are really using it for trading DIVX encoded movies. After all, the cost of sending a DIVX encoded movie from one gmail.com mailbox to another gmail.com mailbox is relatively low. What happens to your network when this happens and instead of receiving a stream of HTML search pages from Google, you now start receiving huge DIVX film downloads, all from a single site! Assuming that they aren't Akamized... --Michael Dillon
Michael.Dillon@radianz.com wrote:
Does anyone really believe that people will use gmail as their one and only email account? Perhaps they are really using it for trading DIVX encoded movies. After all, the cost of sending a DIVX encoded movie from one gmail.com mailbox to another gmail.com mailbox is relatively low. What happens to your network when this happens and instead of receiving a stream of HTML search pages from Google, you now start receiving huge DIVX film downloads, all from a single site!
I thought there was a message size limit which is far below the mailbox size limit? Haven't tried if they are able to piece up large messages from MIME headers or such. Pete
Hell, I couldn't even log into it. The system was "Temporarily unavailable" when I tried. Curtis Petri Helenius wrote:
Michael.Dillon@radianz.com wrote:
Does anyone really believe that people will use gmail as their one and only email account? Perhaps they are really using it for trading DIVX encoded movies. After all, the cost of sending a DIVX encoded movie from one gmail.com mailbox to another gmail.com mailbox is relatively low. What happens to your network when this happens and instead of receiving a stream of HTML search pages from Google, you now start receiving huge DIVX film downloads, all from a single site!
I thought there was a message size limit which is far below the mailbox size limit? Haven't tried if they are able to piece up large messages from MIME headers or such.
Pete
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:03:57 +0100 <Michael.Dillon@radianz.com> wrote:
I find it interesting how many people are concerned with sending email to gmail users yet are quite willing to send email to public mailing lists that are archived and indexed by Google.
There is in most cases a significantly lower expectation of privacy when sending to any public mailing list (regardless of who indexes it) than when sending to a single individual. The difference you cite is, therefore, somewhat understandable. Even more so if people set up forwards from their existing email addresses into GMail accounts, when the senders do not know that the mail they send will be read on Gmail. -- Richard Cox
Maybe those of you who created accounts using the links provided by todd could post some invites. -Nakul Nakul Malik Nakul Malik Consultancy Services Ph: +91-9811424477 H-342 New Rajendra Nagar New Delhi - 110060 INDIA -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Todd Mitchell - lists Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:14 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: 30 Gmail Invites The weekend is quiet and I know that many of the people on this list still desire a gmail invite/account. So, here's a list of 30 invites. First come, first serve. Please use only one invite and save the rest for others. Enjoy. Todd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-c817d0858f-ea71985e2a http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-c263a6bea6-669b8bb2bd http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-14bb63949b-fdbdcdaa8d http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-ff9176b257-9b5091eb63 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-ba42cfa018-a2a6016392 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-dde4346f8d-9f8f4e88f1 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-cb5aec3c6f-d358f9c4f3 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-5f3485e69d-87e9173a91 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-ef546952c9-073f122bf4 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-86098056db-2274bd9075 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-6c14eb5ce1-805444bc74 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-f9c13d6f9d-c10913edc1 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-e3a737aa64-1be3a293ed http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-4911462937-88cd27b39e http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-7a7e7e41f7-85ae75f5e8 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-effc7d5d90-dd3da7740f http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-fdb8f59cec-2959c228b4 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-8074964a1b-a38511284c http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-ff54f51d51-dd6eb35673 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-01c7087c0d-6bbd4cacf9 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-8b9450d76c-6efd48d658 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-2f01b541da-d835216e2c http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-a7862e3f24-ed24925c61 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-f2f7bad1af-466d3c86bf http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-a01eedc4b4-82427f41fe http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-7c05d37676-234e6cdd88 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-3b10137116-1bdeb903ad http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-f86192adad-04a277bebc http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-1530fb1b72-723aca0685 http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-7b9f9c027e-42cfca4f35-88cb890165
Nakul Malik wrote:
Maybe those of you who created accounts using the links provided by todd could post some invites. -Nakul
Before anyone does such a moronic thing, please note that all people subscribed here, or reading the archives, now and for the future have access to the accounts from those links publicly posted. The privacy concerns noted by some are actually unique to gmail, and are real (for example, anyone accepting one of those is then known to the original poster). In addition, you will be joining the crowd of people that have demonstrated a genuine lack of regard for the charter of nanog, or its core audience. -- When the Himalayan peasant meets the He-bear in his stride, He will shout to scare the monster, who will often turn aside, But the female thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail, For the female of the species is more deadly than the male. RK
On Sep 12, 2004, at 8:05 AM, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
Maybe those of you who created accounts using the links provided by todd could post some invites.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! No more Gmail on NANOG!
Before anyone does such a moronic thing, please note that all people subscribed here, or reading the archives, now and for the future have access to the accounts from those links publicly posted. The privacy concerns noted by some are actually unique to gmail, and are real (for example, anyone accepting one of those is then known to the original poster). In addition, you will be joining the crowd of people that have demonstrated a genuine lack of regard for the charter of nanog, or its core audience.
I think you are confused. So someone who invited you to Gmail now knows you have a Gmail account. BFD. This creates exactly _zero_ privacy concerns. (Someone knowing your Gmail account is not a privacy concern as you knew going in they would know your account.) Your privacy concerns are either nonexistent, or they apply to any non-personally-run mail server. (And probably many personally run mail servers.) I repeat, if you have issues with Gmail, block Gamil on your own mail server and quit bothering the rest of us. -- TTFN, patrick
participants (16)
-
Chris Brenton -
Curtis Maurand -
Daniel Senie -
Etaoin Shrdlu -
J.D. Falk -
Joe Provo -
Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com -
Nakul Malik -
Nicholas Suan -
Patrick W Gilmore -
Paul Vixie -
Petri Helenius -
Richard Cox -
Richard Welty -
Steven M. Bellovin -
Todd Mitchell - lists