Buhrmaster, Gary wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Steven M. Bellovin [mailto:smb@cs.columbia.edu] Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:35 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: an over-the-top data center
http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-desi gned-data-center-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/ (No, I don't know if it's real or not.)
One could consider purchasing the underground tunnels in downtown London that BT is selling to build a competing "over-the-top" data center.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/28/business/worldbusiness/28tunnel.html
It seems that all these cases are more under the bottom than over the top.
On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
It seems that all these cases are more under the bottom than over the top.
Every couple of years there is a story about some anti virus company, data center, or whatever running out of an old nuclear bunker/military base/middle of no where. It is exciting the first few times. Gadi.
On 28-Nov-08, at 7:35 PM, Gadi Evron wrote:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
It seems that all these cases are more under the bottom than over the top.
Every couple of years there is a story about some anti virus company, data center, or whatever running out of an old nuclear bunker/military base/middle of no where. It is exciting the first few times.
Hey I'll defend the interest in this one. They at least have cool architecture. And to all the folks debating the form of security, let me also remind that massive redundancy always provides even more security than one very, very, hard point. cheers, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 16-20 2009 http://cansecwest.com London, U.K. May 27/28 2009 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp
Gadi, I can't help that you need a few nights away in a lovely Swiss Hotel in order to help those cynical thoughts lift: http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,24732642-5014090,00.html :-) MMC On 29/11/2008, at 2:05 PM, Gadi Evron wrote:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
It seems that all these cases are more under the bottom than over the top.
Every couple of years there is a story about some anti virus company, data center, or whatever running out of an old nuclear bunker/military base/middle of no where. It is exciting the first few times.
Gadi.
-- Matthew Moyle-Croft Internode/Agile Peering and Core Networks
Gadi, I can't help that you need a few nights away in a lovely Swiss Hotel in order to help those cynical thoughts lift:
http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,24732642-5014090,00.html
That looks too noisy. This seems to be a little more upscale. http://www.budgettravel.com/bt-srv/gallery/0803_WeirdestHotels/index.html?ju... Interesting places: http://www.budgettravel.com/bt-dyn/content/article/2008/02/19/AR200802190153... So, an interesting question to contemplate. Apparently some hotels have figured out different angles. Is there a point at which business will start looking at other models for hosting purposes? We already have cloud computing, fe. With data center prices skyrocketing, it would seem that there might be some advantages, at least in some cases, to looking at alternatives. I know that we find our Equinix rack space very expensive, and that some of the things we do just aren't worth $50/month/RU or whatever it is we're paying. Putting low bandwidth, less critical resources elsewhere seems to be a generally good idea. What workable options exist? We have some clients that have always maintained their own small server rooms on-site and never gave up on bringing in bandwidth on T1 or whatever, and this strategy seems to have worked out for them in the long run, as they've kept resources on- site. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
Data centers in used nuclear bunkers aren't new - www.thebunker.net has done that for a decade in the UK. They found that having a cool-looking site made it easy to sell to bankers who wanted reassurance about physical security, and at least with the computer technology of the time it was easy to do HVAC, since the place was naturally cold, and they had good redundant power grid connectivity to work with. As far as the risks of publishing the location of your data centers go, I've generally been on the pro-publishing side; real attackers would *never* think of looking for the large building downtown with no windows, or looking for a data center business named "One Wilshire" near Wilshire Blvd (:-) More seriously, though, many customers need physical diversity for their circuits, and while it's more reliable to get that from a single fiber carrier than try to get predictable diversity from multiple carriers, there's still a need to do some auditing. Of course, if you've got a bunker already, it's pretty cheap to get your CEO a monocle and a white cat, whereas if you're starting with the monocle and the cat, getting a bunker can be fairly expensive.
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