Could someone contact me off list if you have a CBT Nuggets streaming account and would be willing to help me in working towards my CCNP?
Don't spam the list looking for black market copies of training material. Use GNS3 and design your own labs and google the test topics. Plzkthx. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30, Ryan Burtch <rburtch3@gmail.com> wrote:
Could someone contact me off list if you have a CBT Nuggets streaming account and would be willing to help me in working towards my CCNP?
GNS3 is completely insufficient for CCNP-level training and labs. You will need actual equipment. Fortunately, it has gotten a lot cheaper over the past few years and you don't need the latest and greatest. Check out Wendell Odom's website for tips. Also we have a CBTNuggets account at my company and I was unimpressed with their Cisco coverage, but that may be a matter of taste. Just my $0.02...as a CCNA working towards MY CCNP. --jono On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Garrett Skjelstad <garrett@skjelstad.org>wrote:
Don't spam the list looking for black market copies of training material. Use GNS3 and design your own labs and google the test topics. Plzkthx.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30, Ryan Burtch <rburtch3@gmail.com> wrote:
Could someone contact me off list if you have a CBT Nuggets streaming account and would be willing to help me in working towards my CCNP?
There is a reason Cisco certs are not considered "Paper Mill Certs" and that you have to recertify every few years to keep up with new equipment and technologies. That is what our community DOESN'T need, Cisco certs that are looked upon like lot of the other manufacturer certification courses. Do the CBTNuggets route and try a hands on exam and see how far it will get you. Curtis -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Rogers [mailto:quantumfoam@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:06 PM To: Garrett Skjelstad Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: CBT Nuggets streaming account GNS3 is completely insufficient for CCNP-level training and labs. You will need actual equipment. Fortunately, it has gotten a lot cheaper over the past few years and you don't need the latest and greatest. Check out Wendell Odom's website for tips. Also we have a CBTNuggets account at my company and I was unimpressed with their Cisco coverage, but that may be a matter of taste. Just my $0.02...as a CCNA working towards MY CCNP. --jono On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Garrett Skjelstad <garrett@skjelstad.org>wrote:
Don't spam the list looking for black market copies of training material. Use GNS3 and design your own labs and google the test topics. Plzkthx.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30, Ryan Burtch <rburtch3@gmail.com> wrote:
Could someone contact me off list if you have a CBT Nuggets streaming account and would be willing to help me in working towards my CCNP?
On 11/06/12 22:15, STARNES, CURTIS wrote:
There is a reason Cisco certs are not considered "Paper Mill Certs" and that you have to recertify every few years to keep up with new equipment and technologies. That is what our community DOESN'T need, Cisco certs that are looked upon like lot of the other manufacturer certification courses.
Too late, sorry. Every man and his dog has downloaded PASS4SURE and memorised the answers to pass the exams. You can do this once every three years, no problem. Sure, those candidates will be absolutely useless, but that doesn't stop the dilution of CCNA/CCNP certs in the market. What will it do? It'll make the CCIE more important. What have Cisco done about it? Oh, they released a more prestigious, more expensive cert, didn't they? :) Tom
Yea, I know. The one aspect of the whole thing is memorizing a brain dump is one thing; troubleshooting and fixing the problem with a supervisor screaming down your neck is another. Without the hands on experience, the "memorizing" of the brain dumps will show up real fast in a NOC! I was asked one time how long it took to learn networking, simple answer: How it is supposed to work, not very long; what can go wrong and how to troubleshoot and correct the issue(s), a whole lot longer. Curtis -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hill [mailto:tom@ninjabadger.net] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:42 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: CBT Nuggets streaming account On 11/06/12 22:15, STARNES, CURTIS wrote:
There is a reason Cisco certs are not considered "Paper Mill Certs" and that you have to recertify every few years to keep up with new equipment and technologies. That is what our community DOESN'T need, Cisco certs that are looked upon like lot of the other manufacturer certification courses.
Too late, sorry. Every man and his dog has downloaded PASS4SURE and memorised the answers to pass the exams. You can do this once every three years, no problem. Sure, those candidates will be absolutely useless, but that doesn't stop the dilution of CCNA/CCNP certs in the market. What will it do? It'll make the CCIE more important. What have Cisco done about it? Oh, they released a more prestigious, more expensive cert, didn't they? :) Tom
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 05:05:59PM -0400, Jonathan Rogers wrote:
GNS3 is completely insufficient for CCNP-level training and labs. You will need actual equipment. Fortunately, it has gotten a lot cheaper over the past few years and you don't need the latest and greatest. Check out Wendell Odom's website for tips.
What topics are missing on GNS3 for CCNP? Is there that much switching covered in the exam? I was able to use dynamips/dynagen to study for CCIP (yay EOL'd certs) without issue last year. -- Brandon Ewing (nicotine@warningg.com)
Many CCIE training providers also offer alternative workbooks for CCIE Routing and Switching based solely on GNS3. If the argument is there is no 15.x, then I would argue that the *current* exams offer minimal differences between releases at this time. (IOS-wise) I can understand the switch aspect though... Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2012, at 14:38, Brandon Ewing <nicotine@warningg.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 05:05:59PM -0400, Jonathan Rogers wrote:
GNS3 is completely insufficient for CCNP-level training and labs. You will need actual equipment. Fortunately, it has gotten a lot cheaper over the past few years and you don't need the latest and greatest. Check out Wendell Odom's website for tips.
What topics are missing on GNS3 for CCNP? Is there that much switching covered in the exam? I was able to use dynamips/dynagen to study for CCIP (yay EOL'd certs) without issue last year.
-- Brandon Ewing (nicotine@warningg.com)
I would say part of the argument is old-fashioned (if you ain't touching it, you're not really learning), but there are other issues as well...such as where you get a legitimate copy of IOS to load into GNS3. Ultimately my personal feeling is that it is not an accurate representation of the real world. Cisco's official academy sim is much easier to use if you need a sim. Unfortunately, it is not easily acquired. --jono On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Garrett Skjelstad <garrett@skjelstad.org>wrote:
Many CCIE training providers also offer alternative workbooks for CCIE Routing and Switching based solely on GNS3.
If the argument is there is no 15.x, then I would argue that the *current* exams offer minimal differences between releases at this time. (IOS-wise)
I can understand the switch aspect though...
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2012, at 14:38, Brandon Ewing <nicotine@warningg.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 05:05:59PM -0400, Jonathan Rogers wrote:
GNS3 is completely insufficient for CCNP-level training and labs. You will need actual equipment. Fortunately, it has gotten a lot cheaper over the past few years and you don't need the latest and greatest. Check out Wendell Odom's website for tips.
What topics are missing on GNS3 for CCNP? Is there that much switching covered in the exam? I was able to use dynamips/dynagen to study for CCIP (yay EOL'd certs) without issue last year.
-- Brandon Ewing ( nicotine@warningg.com)
You can rent CCIE-topology racks for $1.50/hr. Even though that's overkill for CCNP, you probably don't need that many hours. It sure beats dealing with buying then selling the stuff on ebay. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Rogers <quantumfoam@gmail.com>wrote:
I would say part of the argument is old-fashioned (if you ain't touching it, you're not really learning), but there are other issues as well...such as where you get a legitimate copy of IOS to load into GNS3.
Ultimately my personal feeling is that it is not an accurate representation of the real world. Cisco's official academy sim is much easier to use if you need a sim. Unfortunately, it is not easily acquired.
--jono
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Garrett Skjelstad <garrett@skjelstad.org
wrote:
Many CCIE training providers also offer alternative workbooks for CCIE Routing and Switching based solely on GNS3.
If the argument is there is no 15.x, then I would argue that the *current* exams offer minimal differences between releases at this time. (IOS-wise)
I can understand the switch aspect though...
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2012, at 14:38, Brandon Ewing <nicotine@warningg.com> wrote:
GNS3 is completely insufficient for CCNP-level training and labs. You will need actual equipment. Fortunately, it has gotten a lot cheaper over
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 05:05:59PM -0400, Jonathan Rogers wrote: the
past few years and you don't need the latest and greatest. Check out Wendell Odom's website for tips.
What topics are missing on GNS3 for CCNP? Is there that much switching covered in the exam? I was able to use dynamips/dynagen to study for CCIP (yay EOL'd certs) without issue last year.
-- Brandon Ewing ( nicotine@warningg.com)
I used cbt nuggets conceptually in ccna and it gave me a good overview of the concepts. It may be my style of learning. That said, I was only asking if someone would be willing to help me with ccnp cbt nuggets training as I know that streaming accounts are multi user. On Jun 11, 2012 5:05 PM, "Jonathan Rogers" <quantumfoam@gmail.com> wrote:
GNS3 is completely insufficient for CCNP-level training and labs. You
will need actual equipment. Fortunately, it has gotten a lot cheaper over the past few years and you don't need the latest and greatest. Check out Wendell Odom's website for tips.
Also we have a CBTNuggets account at my company and I was unimpressed
with their Cisco coverage, but that may be a matter of taste.
Just my $0.02...as a CCNA working towards MY CCNP.
--jono
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Garrett Skjelstad <garrett@skjelstad.org>
wrote:
Don't spam the list looking for black market copies of training
material. Use GNS3 and design your own labs and google the test topics. Plzkthx.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30, Ryan Burtch <rburtch3@gmail.com> wrote:
Could someone contact me off list if you have a CBT Nuggets streaming account and would be willing to help me in working towards my CCNP?
CBT Nuggets is just a quick overview of what you need to read and lab through in order to know your stuff adam -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Burtch [mailto:rburtch3@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:21 PM To: Jonathan Rogers Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: CBT Nuggets streaming account I used cbt nuggets conceptually in ccna and it gave me a good overview of the concepts. It may be my style of learning. That said, I was only asking if someone would be willing to help me with ccnp cbt nuggets training as I know that streaming accounts are multi user. On Jun 11, 2012 5:05 PM, "Jonathan Rogers" <quantumfoam@gmail.com> wrote:
GNS3 is completely insufficient for CCNP-level training and labs. You
will need actual equipment. Fortunately, it has gotten a lot cheaper over the past few years and you don't need the latest and greatest. Check out Wendell Odom's website for tips.
Also we have a CBTNuggets account at my company and I was unimpressed
with their Cisco coverage, but that may be a matter of taste.
Just my $0.02...as a CCNA working towards MY CCNP.
--jono
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Garrett Skjelstad <garrett@skjelstad.org>
wrote:
Don't spam the list looking for black market copies of training
material. Use GNS3 and design your own labs and google the test topics. Plzkthx.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30, Ryan Burtch <rburtch3@gmail.com> wrote:
Could someone contact me off list if you have a CBT Nuggets streaming account and would be willing to help me in working towards my
CCNP?
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