On Wednesday, November 20, 1996 1:47 PM, Justin W. Newton[SMTP:justin@erols.com] wrote: @ At 12:06 PM 11/20/96 -0600, Jim Fleming wrote: @ >I have suggested in the past a "neighbor net" approach. @ >It is a simple approach in which people on each side @ >of an allocation, be responsible for publishing a periodic @ >usage report. They would obtain this information from @ >their "neighboring" administrator. @ > @ >This approach can work for /24s, /16s and any size @ >allocations, as long as one is aware of who their binary @ >neighbor is in the IPv4 address space. @ > @ >To illustrate a /8 example, Hewlett Packard and Apple @ >Computer would be responsible for the report on @ >Digital Computer Corporation. @ > @ > Hewlett Packard - 15.0.0.0 @ > Digital Computer - 16.0.0.0 @ > Apple Computer - 17.0.0.0 @ > MIT - 18.0.0.0 @ Jim, @ This lynches it. You are absolutely insane. You whine and moan about @ having to tell the EvilInternic(tm) about your network, potential @ customers, etc etc, yet you believe that DEC would gladly give information @ to Apple about their internal network etc etc. More effort would be sepnt @ in court with lawyers haggeling over what DEC had to give Apple and Apple @ had to give DEC in order to properly be audited than would have originally @ been spent with an audit by an external agency doing the audit. Or wait, @ let me guess DISA wants to be audited by a foriegn company (30.0.0.0 for @ DISA and 32.0.0.0 for the foriegn company, 31 is IANA reserved, so I am @ assuming that it would be skipped). @ @ Yeah, that. @ @ Justin Newton @ Network Architect @ Erol's Internet Services @ @ Justin, As usual you missed the point. The idea is to promote a "self-auditing" system. If Digital does not want to provide any information that is fine. Hewlett Packard and Apple simply have to say, "Our neighbor Digital Equipment, has declined to provide information". That will make the job very easy for HP and Apple. That attitude can ripple through the entire system. If that happens then, no one should complain about IP allocations and misuse. What was that old saying about "glass houses" and "casting the first stone"...? P.S. Regarding your comments about the InterNIC. I have objected to people like yourself having discussions with InterNIC (or NSI) employees about other people's business matters and then running around mailing lists referring to those discussions and acting like you are very chummy with the InterNIC. I think that I have been very clear on those points..."The InterNIC has no business discussing other people's business with you, no matter how buddy buddy you are..." -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net JimFleming@unety.net.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)