Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS
Hi Jared, You should give the new RADB portal a try. We were trying to do pretty much what you describe. Dont know what web2.0 is but the new portal is a web based object management system complete with "recommended" changes and inconsistency lists. We just added prefix allocation check with backend information from PCH (prefix checker tool). Prefix/acl generation is coming soon too stay tuned. Alert/ notification has been tested and we are figuring out how to roll it out on a larger scale. We are also starting to study whether the data itself has actually gotten any better since we put this web gui in place. -manish On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:55 PM, nanog-request@nanog.org wrote:
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:57:07 -0400 From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> Subject: Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS To: nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Message-ID: <ACC05272-318E-4E81-A48C-3CE22AA2F943@puck.nether.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
I've come to the conclusion that if someone put a nice web2.0+ interface on creating and managing these objects it would be a lot easier.
If there were a customer portal where you could visit to say "update my prefix-list/acl to include the following new prefix(es), and push the change /now/" I presume that would drive customer utilization of these services and allow people to manage things "better".
There are lots of leaks all the time, as can be evidenced by the leak detection stuff I set up here:
http://puck.nether.net/bgp/leakinfo.cgi
- Jared
... Dont know what web 2.0 is but the new portal is a web based object management system complete with "recommended" changes and inconsistency lists. We just added prefix allocation check with backend information from PCH (prefix checker tool).
Web 2.0 is marketroid drivel-speak for a method of continuing to ensure that Web Applications are uninspectable and unsecurable. It is based on doing partial document refreshes using code executing within the browser, usually in such a fashion that it modifies the document tree directly through foreign (ie, from the net) code execution in the context of the current user (or, because of the zillions of holes in those browsers supporting code execution, with the priviledges of the OS itself). It is highly insecure and cannot be secured by any products currently available. It is best to stay as far as possible from anything claiming that it is Web 2.0. Hallmarks of Web 2.0 are gratuitous javascript and java applications which cannot be disabled. Enabling any type of even minimal security on any web site that is "Web 2.0" buzzword compliant results in the display of completely blank pages. Web 2.0 pages will indirect all hyperlinks and navigation through javascript. Not because it provides anything useful but rather in order to force people to enable dangerous crap in their browsers (javascript, java, Flash Virus, &c) -- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org
Keith Medcalf wrote:
... Dont know what web 2.0 is but the new portal is a web based object management system complete with "recommended" changes and inconsistency lists. We just added prefix allocation check with backend information from PCH (prefix checker tool).
Web 2.0 is marketroid drivel-speak for a method of continuing to ensure that Web Applications are uninspectable and unsecurable. It is based on doing partial document refreshes using code executing within the browser, usually in such a fashion that it modifies the document tree directly through foreign (ie, from the net) code execution in the context of the current user (or, because of the zillions of holes in those browsers supporting code execution, with the priviledges of the OS itself).
It is highly insecure and cannot be secured by any products currently available. It is best to stay as far as possible from anything claiming that it is Web 2.0. Hallmarks of Web 2.0 are gratuitous javascript and java applications which cannot be disabled. Enabling any type of even minimal security on any web site that is "Web 2.0" buzzword compliant results in the display of completely blank pages. Web 2.0 pages will indirect all hyperlinks and navigation through javascript. Not because it provides anything useful but rather in order to force people to enable dangerous crap in their browsers (javascript, java, Flash Virus, &c)
Their are people who do understand how to do these things right. It's called progressive enhancement. [0] [1] Which means you don't need any fancy stuff to be able to use it or read the content, but if you have support for it, it will add extra convenience-features like search suggestions. Also in certain ways things are starting to improve for example the HTML5 spec has a video-tag [2] that's the only kinda of useful thing Flash is used for these days. Their is SVG and Canvas- tag in the HTML5-spec as well, which means even less reason to use plugins. The Chrome browser uses seperate processes with less priviledges to render the pages and run scripts and plugins. I'm just saying it's not all bad. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement [1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/understandingprogressiveenhancement/ [2] Some may say, but their are no codecs specified, but the same is true for images, etc. and I think images did pretty well [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Security
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