Re: NSI Bulletin 098-010 | Update on Whois
At 11:59 AM 9/2/98 -0500, Andy Walden wrote:
Was this company "an abuser" because they wanted to do lookups of a useful nature? (And yes, they put in caching and such so they wouldn't be querying
Yes. Thats not the intent of the whois database in my opinion. Marketing and general greed causes the most problems on the Internet and generates the most instances of someone trying to exploit something for the almighty dollar.
I guess I would tend to disagree. The whois database is there so that the Internet users - be they marketing types or technical types - can obtain information about a domain name. I might not be interested in that aspect of it MYSELF (for me, it is generally the technical contact I am looking for, or rarely the admin contact), but for others it is the company name. What makes their use "WRONG" and mine "RIGHT"? D
Yes. Thats not the intent of the whois database in my opinion. Marketing and general greed causes the most problems on the Internet and generates the most instances of someone trying to exploit something for the almighty dollar.
for, or rarely the admin contact), but for others it is the company name. What makes their use "WRONG" and mine "RIGHT"?
Your not doing it for profit's sake, en mass, without consideration for resources. You manually do a whois when you need a piece of information about a domain that probably has to do with some technical issue. A marketing leech would just find a tech guy to write him a program that would pummel the database so he could use that information to make himself a profit. That wasn't the intention of the database. What about querying other database's for marketing information. Such as public court documents (i'm not sure what the intended market would be), but thats just not the intended use of the information provided. People exploiting the situation. Yeah, I know welcome to the real world and such...just stating.. -andy
On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Derek Balling wrote:
Yes. Thats not the intent of the whois database in my opinion. Marketing and general greed causes the most problems on the Internet and generates the most instances of someone trying to exploit something for the almighty dollar.
I guess I would tend to disagree. The whois database is there so that the Internet users - be they marketing types or technical types - can obtain
Whatever it's purpose, let's not lose sight of the fact that NSI is using their database to market Verisign certs via UCE. Makes you wonder if this is about bandwidth and load average, or about competition. Bill
On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 05:31:10PM -0400, Bill Becker wrote:
I guess I would tend to disagree. The whois database is there so that the Internet users - be they marketing types or technical types - can obtain
Whatever it's purpose, let's not lose sight of the fact that NSI is using their database to market Verisign certs via UCE.
Um. Other than the Verisign promotion I see on the *web page* at the end of a new domain registration, I've never had ANY communication whatsoever from them about Verisign certificates. You'd best believe that if I did, I'd be in Virginia the next day, looking for an NSI executive who needed a couple shoe-prints on his butt. :) -- "You know, I've decided lizards aren't too smart." --Me, to "Junior", one of my iguanas
On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
Other than the Verisign promotion I see on the *web page* at the end of a new domain registration, I've never had ANY communication whatsoever from them about Verisign certificates.
You'd best believe that if I did, I'd be in Virginia the next day, looking for an NSI executive who needed a couple shoe-prints on his butt. :)
Got those boots handy? -----Original Message----- From: List Manager <listmngr@internic.net> To: ADMIN@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET <ADMIN@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET> Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 6:33 PM Subject: Network Solutions' E-Commerce Update #1
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On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 04:50:37PM -0700, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
Other than the Verisign promotion I see on the *web page* at the end of a new domain registration, I've never had ANY communication whatsoever from them about Verisign certificates.
You'd best believe that if I did, I'd be in Virginia the next day, looking for an NSI executive who needed a couple shoe-prints on his butt. :)
Got those boots handy?
Why haven't I gotten any of these? There are plenty of domains out there with my e-mail address on them.
-----Original Message----- From: List Manager <listmngr@internic.net> To: ADMIN@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET <ADMIN@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET> Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 6:33 PM Subject: Network Solutions' E-Commerce Update #1
------- Subject: Network Solutions' E-Commerce Update #1
Dear Customer,
You are a valued customer and we want to help increase and protect the value of your domain name. As a free added benefit of your domain name registration, we would like to send you our "E-Commerce Update" from time to time. In these updates, we will try to identify useful information and news that you can use to enhance the value of your web address. If you do not wish to receive this newsletter in the future, simply respond to this e-mail with the word "remove" in the first line of the message. If you have any questions or comments, please send them to hostmaster@internic.net.
Network Solutions - the world's leading provider of domain name services - together with VeriSign -- the world's leading web security provider -- have published a new informative guide to on-line security, "Securing Your Web Site for Business."
"Securing Your Web Site for Business" outlines the options you have to secure and protect your web site. By downloading your free copy (http://www.verisign.com/nsi/whitepaper), you will be able to learn how easy it is to secure your site in order to protect yourself and your customers.
Issues covered in "Securing Your Web Site for Business" include:
* Why on-line security problems could slow the growth of your business * How to maximize your on-line security at a low cost * How to accept credit cards and sell products on-line---securely * What a Digital ID is * Why you need a Digital ID * How to obtain a Digital ID for your web site
As an additional service to our customers, Network Solutions has also partnered with VeriSign to bring you a special free trial version Secure Server ID. VeriSign Secure Server IDs are the security solution currently used by over 90% of web sites conducting secure online commerce and this free trial will allow you to experience how easy Web site security can be. Please visit us at http://www.verisign.com/nsi/trial to start experiencing the benefits of on-line security today.
We would also like to take this opportunity to remind you of the importance of keeping your Network Solutions domain name records up to date. Incorrect data can result in your next invoice being delivered to the wrong location, and may cause delays when you request other services such as a Secure Server Digital ID. To review your domain name records and the associated information go to http://www.internic.net/verisign/update.html.
Thank you for being a Network Solutions' customer. We look forward to serving your future domain name needs.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell (800) 299-1288 v Systems Administrator (925) 377-1212 v NameSecure (925) 377-1414 f Coming to the ISPF? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs http://www.ispf.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
-- "You know, I've decided lizards aren't too smart." --Me, to "Junior", one of my iguanas
At 20:01 9/2/98 -0400, you wrote: :)
Got those boots handy?
Why haven't I gotten any of these? There are plenty of domains out there with my e-mail address on them.
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