who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?
I have been aching for this now for about six years. In every professional setting I've ever been in, a need for this kind of thing arises and my advice to my employer/client is always the same: pay the $x per month for a colo server for your network/system engineers to use as an outpost for emergencies, external analysis, and monitoring.
Exactly! While route servers are great, sometimes I need the flexablity of an outside shell account to do troubleshooting. I know a few other people at work who also keep outside shell accounts somewhere for this very purpose.
It seems like approaching one of the larger colo providers and coordinating some sort of "NANOG Discount" might be one quick route.
I'm of two minds on this. Obviously, if a group of us go to provider X and say we want Z amount of rack space, we can probably get a good deal. On the other hand, I'm also interested in a community of like minded folks with servers located in diverse environments who would trade access with one another. If we're all in one rack in one datacenter, there is more of a chance we'll all go down together. If we have a diverse footprint, that is much less likely to happen.
The discount could be restricted to those who are appropriately vetted. This program would be of value to the colo provider because of the potential for discount recipients to direct business their way.
How would this vetting process work? I'm willing to give other nanog folks shell accounts on my machine in return for same, but I really don't want to hand out accounts to packet kiddies.
Suffice it to say, I'm interested, both to address current work-day issues and for personal use.
I'm also interested. I do currently have a dedicated FreeBSD server in Australia for personal use. Those of us who are running our own personal mail & DNS servers could get together to back each other up.
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Janet Sullivan wrote:
How would this vetting process work? I'm willing to give other nanog folks shell accounts on my machine in return for same, but I really don't want to hand out accounts to packet kiddies.
Restrict it to people you've met or spoken to enough to think you know them.. Steve
Hello Janet/List - First, allow me to introduce myself, my name is Jonathan M. Slivko and I work for InvisibleHand Networks, Inc. (http://www.invisiblehand.net). Currently, we offer colocation and bandwidth services in the New York/New Jersey market (Telehouse and Equinix to be precise). The reason for this post is to put forth a suggestion: InvisibleHand Networks, Inc. allows you to buy bandwidth "on demand" as needed without having to commit to any bandwidth level, 95th percentile or long term contract. We can colocate personal 1U servers at either facility for a set price per server and then you can purchase bandwidth on our "spot" market. All of our services are on month-to-month contracts and we can offer you some kind of discount if you buy in bulk. However, without having a valid consensus as to how many people would be interested in such a deal, I cannot/will not offer pricing on this list (contact me offlist if interested). I look forward to talking to you soon. Janet Sullivan wrote:
I have been aching for this now for about six years. In every professional setting I've ever been in, a need for this kind of thing arises and my advice to my employer/client is always the same: pay the $x per month for a colo server for your network/system engineers to use as an outpost for emergencies, external analysis, and monitoring.
Exactly! While route servers are great, sometimes I need the flexablity of an outside shell account to do troubleshooting. I know a few other people at work who also keep outside shell accounts somewhere for this very purpose.
It seems like approaching one of the larger colo providers and coordinating some sort of "NANOG Discount" might be one quick route.
I'm of two minds on this. Obviously, if a group of us go to provider X and say we want Z amount of rack space, we can probably get a good deal. On the other hand, I'm also interested in a community of like minded folks with servers located in diverse environments who would trade access with one another. If we're all in one rack in one datacenter, there is more of a chance we'll all go down together. If we have a diverse footprint, that is much less likely to happen.
The discount could be restricted to those who are appropriately vetted. This program would be of value to the colo provider because of the potential for discount recipients to direct business their way.
How would this vetting process work? I'm willing to give other nanog folks shell accounts on my machine in return for same, but I really don't want to hand out accounts to packet kiddies.
Suffice it to say, I'm interested, both to address current work-day issues and for personal use.
I'm also interested. I do currently have a dedicated FreeBSD server in Australia for personal use. Those of us who are running our own personal mail & DNS servers could get together to back each other up.
-- Jonathan M. Slivko jslivko@invisiblehand.net Sales/Network Operations Invisible Hand Networks, Inc. http://www.invisiblehand.net 670 Broadway, 2nd Floor, New York, NY 10012 Ph: 212-226-1422 F: 212-202-7640 M: 646-924-9211
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: <SNIP INTRO & SALES BLURB>
I look forward to talking to you soon.
Jonathan M. Slivko jslivko@invisiblehand.net Sales/Network Operations Invisible Hand Networks, Inc.
I am currently doing a little of both sales/network admin at my company which competes directly with Jonathan's in the NYC market. I have some ?s about (network admins + sales people) for nanog folk: - As much as I sympathize with JS's desire to get his company name and information out, is this kind of E-mail encouraged/discouraged on NANOG? (AUP: "Blatant product marketing is unacceptable." Does this fit?) - Are more of the current network/system admins being asked to leverage otherwise non-business relationships (like NANOG) to increase sales? My initial reaction to his E-mail was sympathy for the effort, but I'm curious if other netadmins are being handed a sales hat. I don't mean the people who switched to the sales team totally. - Do you still maintain your network equipment and now have the responsibility to bring in new business for your company? (This assumes the company is/was large enough to not need you to do both.) - Where do we draw the line on NANOG discussions about steering a conversation that hits close enough to your business to allow this? I know from some of my previous posts there are a lot of marketing/sales types subscribed to NANOG that can/will/ and do jump at an opportunity to sell their product. I also know that sometimes we ask for that ourselves like Paul's question about 1U that he is summarizing off list so there is a place for these people to participate. Will there soon be a place for North American Sales And Network Operators Group NASA-NOG mailing list more focused on putting the techs in touch with the sales guys? Would NANOG as a group agree (I know...you can laugh now.) that requests made here for suggestions are more often looking for technical people that have purchased from a company than a slightly biased sales pitch from the company you work for? I'm not an anti-capitalist, but I do like to attempt to keep the SNR down and if companies force sales hats to the networking staff this will become much more prevalent. Jonathan this isn't intended to offend you either, so I hope you don't take it that way. SpamAssassin in place and filters setup so I can handle the replies for anyone who wants to respond off the list. Gerald Coon Network Administrator (Who also wears a sales hat at times for the same company) Internet Channel
** Reply to message from Gerald <gcoon@inch.com> on Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:22:25 -0500 (EST)
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote:
<SNIP INTRO & SALES BLURB>
I look forward to talking to you soon.
Jonathan M. Slivko jslivko@invisiblehand.net Sales/Network Operations Invisible Hand Networks, Inc.
I am currently doing a little of both sales/network admin at my company which competes directly with Jonathan's in the NYC market. I have some ?s about (network admins + sales people) for nanog folk:
- As much as I sympathize with JS's desire to get his company name and information out, is this kind of E-mail encouraged/discouraged on NANOG? (AUP: "Blatant product marketing is unacceptable." Does this fit?)
Would NANOG as a group agree (I know...you can laugh now.) that requests made here for suggestions are more often looking for technical people that have purchased from a company than a slightly biased sales pitch from the company you work for?
I'm not an anti-capitalist, but I do like to attempt to keep the SNR down and if companies force sales hats to the networking staff this will become much more prevalent. Jonathan this isn't intended to offend you either, so I hope you don't take it that way.
Not that I'm any sort of PTB here (or pretty much anywhere), but I would prefer that sales pitches of the type referenced be taken off list. So if we're polling & trolling, that's my opinion. -- Jeff Shultz Loose nut behind the wheel.
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