On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Bob Biver wrote:

Addendum-- To to overwhelming responce: I was simply trying to get a perspective on shaping PPPoE traffic. I would *NEVER* misinform or otherwise attempt to defraud anyone. The account would simply be cheaper than one that was advertised as full bandwidth. This account would be put out there so that *everyone* would know what they were buying 320K down with a 16K CIR up but burstable to 128. Sorry for the confusion-

Bob-

PS Why does everyone think poeple are trying to 'rip" off customers? you will not stay in business or in your job long if you do that.

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Some of the oldest ISPs on the planet have been doing it for years. It's called oversubscribing. 288 ISDN ports at a POP being fed with 3 DS1's into the WAN. They're selling "business" accounts with a CIR of 128K. We've run into it twice on WAN connections into supposed Tier-1's. It's sad when you have more connectivity into them than they have to the world (at least at your peering point).. --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc