Re: Vandalism Likely In Big South Bay Phone Outage
The reward is effective and the one of the best uses of their funds in responding to this event. More outside plant spending is not effective when you are dealing with motivated individuals. I'd like to reemphasize that you can't spend enough on outside or inside plant to stop this type of thing. It is much more cost effective to stalk the executors with rewards and prosecution as a detterent. Best, Martin On 4/10/09, Bob Bradlee <Bob@bradlee.org> wrote:
Sounds to me like an ongoing dispute may be close to the bottom of this.
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/04/06/att-union-contract-expir...
AT&T's answer is to place a $100k bounty on the vandals.
The other Bob
-- Martin Hannigan martin@theicelandguy.com p: +16178216079 Power, Network, and Costs Consulting for Iceland Datacenters and Occupants
at least this year its been changed from "Terrorists" to "Vandals". (when most likley, its over-aggressive metals recyclers who have run out of catalitic converters to steal...) --bill
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:57 PM, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
at least this year its been changed from "Terrorists" to "Vandals".
(when most likley, its over-aggressive metals recyclers who have run out of catalitic converters to steal...)
I didn't see a smiley. And I seriously doubt metal recyclers are going 10 feet down into man holes, breaking into locked cabinets, cutting _fiber_optic_ cables (not copper), and doing it in exactly the right points to cause the most damage. But what do I know? -- TTFN, patrick
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net>wrote:
I didn't see a smiley.
And I seriously doubt metal recyclers are going 10 feet down into man holes, breaking into locked cabinets, cutting _fiber_optic_ cables (not copper), and doing it in exactly the right points to cause the most damage.
But what do I know?
The average copper thief normally isn't intelligent enough to know the
difference between black PVC clad copper and black PVC clad fiber until they cut it. In this area, thousands of feet of fiber has been stolen along with copper, or left at the scene when the thieves realized it was not copper they had cut out. Copper thieves will climb into power substations, risking electrocution, to steal copper from power companies. So why would they not go down 10 feet into a manhole to get copper? -Steve
On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Steven M. Callahan wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net>wrote:
I didn't see a smiley.
And I seriously doubt metal recyclers are going 10 feet down into man holes, breaking into locked cabinets, cutting _fiber_optic_ cables (not copper), and doing it in exactly the right points to cause the most damage.
But what do I know?
The average copper thief normally isn't intelligent enough to know the difference between black PVC clad copper and black PVC clad fiber until they cut it.
In this area, thousands of feet of fiber has been stolen along with copper, or left at the scene when the thieves realized it was not copper they had cut out.
Copper thieves will climb into power substations, risking electrocution, to steal copper from power companies. So why would they not go down 10 feet into a manhole to get copper?
Because it's too easy to get copper elsewhere. At least in the SF bay area. Much, much easier places to get much, much more fiber. If they stole 1000s of feet of fiber, maybe we could say they were dumb. -- TTFN, patrick
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:00:38 EDT, "Steven M. Callahan" said:
The average copper thief normally isn't intelligent enough to know the difference between black PVC clad copper and black PVC clad fiber until they cut it.
I wish I still had the link to the pictures - one company in Europe was laying fiber that had 'NO COPPER INSIDE' written on the PVC every few feet, in 5 different languages. It helped, but not 100%, IIRC.
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