At 09:15 PM 11/18/96 -0700, Ehud Gavron wrote:

Wait, WHICH BLACKLIST is he getting on? No, wait, you must mean that "by asking questions in a manner that makes it seem like the Internic is run by people who stole a government-provided sole-source database and now extort money from commercial industry to pay for its maintenance, you are opening up a can of worms"?

Maybe you mean "Matthew, we know you're clueful, but by being negative, you'll PISS OFF the Internic, and THEY WON'T PLAY with you despite their charter, mission, govt. contract, etc.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'd love to have the Internic pissed off at me just as much as the next guy. I just hate to see people (like Matthew, who's been around for a while) being told to "shut up or you'll _never_ get what you want."

Ehud

No, I don't think that is anything near what he is saying. IMHO, what I read between the lines is this in fact... We have all been having to deal with this. Many of us have been in Matt's position, and what we have learned is that in fact, the IP people at the Internic are in fact that, people! Imagine my amazement when I met Kim in person and found out she didn't have fangs, horns, and a string with dried Network Engineers' ears 'round her neck. In fact, she is a very nice person doing a very difficult job. She has a set of rules she must live by. she has to be impartial, and show no preferences. The things that Matt is running into sounds just like the things that a good number of us have run into. The end being, if you follow the requirements (sign an NDA, EVERY lawyer of worth knows what those are), you get the addresses you need. So maybe you have to deal with a /19 here, an /18 there, and a few /17's before you get a /16. It's a rough life, but I doubt anyone is going to jump on your case for creating two routes where only one would have existed before. That extra route is going to fall in the noise level as everyone and thier brother multi-home. If route table size was an argument that the Internic was going to blindly accept, it would have already happened. What your lawyers will eventually find out, is that you are being treated in exactly the same manner as everyone else. At this point, you're going to be looking at a suit that will run for a couple of years without any sign of closure. My suggestion is to seriously sit down, and evaluate your current assignment of IP's and make sure they are allocated in a sane and efficient manner. If they are not, renumber, if they are, swip. Then create an engineering plan that runs a good distance into the future, and supply that plan to the IP group at the Internic. I think you might find the way less rocky at that point. Again, this is all my humble opinion, and not based on any semblance of knowledge on the internal functions of the Internic. I'll leave that to Kim. (*wave* Hi Kim) Chris A. Icide Nap.Net, L.L.C.