Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training. Any clues? Thanks.. -- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training.
Internet2 people have been running workshops on multicast and IPv6 separately.
Any clues?
Thanks..
-- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net
wfms
On Thu, 31 May 2007, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training.
Internet2 people have been running workshops on multicast and IPv6 separately.
Any clues?
Thanks..
-- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net
wfms
You can also try Command Information ipv6training@commandinformation.com or Sunset Learning https://www.coursemax.com/sunset/CourseSchedule.aspx?CourseID=355ef422-32d3- 4379-a950-2087f6b13bcc
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On Thu, 31 May 2007, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training.
Internet2 people have been running workshops on multicast and IPv6 separately.
Any clues?
Thanks..
-- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net
wfms
We also organize frequently non-for-profit IPv6 workshops at different venues, including ARIN meetings and also dedicated workshops for customers all around the world where there is a demand for it. Regards, Jordi
De: "William F. Maton Sotomayor" <wmaton@ryouko.imsb.nrc.ca> Responder a: <wmaton@ryouko.imsb.nrc.ca> Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Para: Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net> CC: NANOG <nanog@merit.edu> Asunto: Re: IPv6 Training?
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training.
Internet2 people have been running workshops on multicast and IPv6 separately.
Any clues?
Thanks..
-- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net
wfms
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My .02 - I *really* liked Jordi's hands-on ipv6 tutorial at the nanog 35 in Los Angeles. There are some suggestions on improving it in the survey forms: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0510/surveys/ which shows that folks care enough to want to add stuff in. I think we should try and get the same thing going again. Maybe we should add some additional ipv6-only network resources to access after basic ipv6 connectivity and keep it set up for the meeting. I love the idea of the nanog net doubling as an ipv6 play area for those of us who otherwise don't have the time to set up and muck with this stuff. I bet if we allocate Sunday morning or afternoon time to another free ipv6 hands on tutorial folks would participate. Bill On 5/31/07, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:
We also organize frequently non-for-profit IPv6 workshops at different venues, including ARIN meetings and also dedicated workshops for customers all around the world where there is a demand for it.
Regards, Jordi
De: "William F. Maton Sotomayor" <wmaton@ryouko.imsb.nrc.ca> Responder a: <wmaton@ryouko.imsb.nrc.ca> Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Para: Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net> CC: NANOG <nanog@merit.edu> Asunto: Re: IPv6 Training?
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training.
Internet2 people have been running workshops on multicast and IPv6 separately.
Any clues?
Thanks..
-- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net
wfms
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Thanks :-) I will be happy to organize it again, of course, considering all the suggestions, for the next NANOG/ARIN meeting. As soon as we plan for it, more people could participate and provide new ideas about what they will like to have. Regards, Jordi De: "William B. Norton" <bill.norton@gmail.com> Responder a: <bill.norton@gmail.com> Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:32:11 -0700 Para: <nanog@nanog.org> Asunto: Re: IPv6 Training? My .02 - I *really* liked Jordi's hands-on ipv6 tutorial at the nanog 35 in Los Angeles. There are some suggestions on improving it in the survey forms: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0510/surveys/ which shows that folks care enough to want to add stuff in. I think we should try and get the same thing going again. Maybe we should add some additional ipv6-only network resources to access after basic ipv6 connectivity and keep it set up for the meeting. I love the idea of the nanog net doubling as an ipv6 play area for those of us who otherwise don't have the time to set up and muck with this stuff. I bet if we allocate Sunday morning or afternoon time to another free ipv6 hands on tutorial folks would participate. Bill On 5/31/07, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:
We also organize frequently non-for-profit IPv6 workshops at different venues, including ARIN meetings and also dedicated workshops for customers all around the world where there is a demand for it.
Regards, Jordi
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On Thu, 31 May 2007, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training.
Internet2 people have been running workshops on multicast and IPv6 separately.
Any clues?
Thanks..
-- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net
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There are a few books out there that will give mention of IPv6 configurations, but most are vendor-specific as far as I have seen. Cisco and Juniper both have at least modules (if not full courses) on IPv6. Each is obviously not vendor-agnostic. Something could always be customized to cover whatever specifics you are looking to cover. What is the scope you are thinking of for your training? Would a multi-vendor concept be better fir your needs rather than theory-only agnostic? Scott swm@emanon.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Alex Rubenstein Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:32 PM To: NANOG Subject: IPv6 Training? Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training. Any clues? Thanks.. -- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net
I got a pretty good look at it (at least it seemed like it to me) back when I got my CCNP. The Cisco books are pretty good. On 5/31/07, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
There are a few books out there that will give mention of IPv6 configurations, but most are vendor-specific as far as I have seen.
Cisco and Juniper both have at least modules (if not full courses) on IPv6. Each is obviously not vendor-agnostic. Something could always be customized to cover whatever specifics you are looking to cover.
What is the scope you are thinking of for your training? Would a multi-vendor concept be better fir your needs rather than theory-only agnostic?
Scott swm@emanon.com
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Alex Rubenstein Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:32 PM To: NANOG Subject: IPv6 Training?
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training.
Any clues?
Thanks..
-- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net
On 31-mei-2007, at 18:32, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training.
You'll want to be more specific: IPv6 impacts a lot of stuff, and few people want to know about all of it. (Address) configuration and on- link behavior (router advertisements, neighbor discovery) would be relevant for pretty much everyone, along with some DNS basics. Obviously programmers don't care much for IPv6 routing while router people don't care much about the IPv6 socket API and the portability of code that uses IPv6-mapped IPv4 addresses. This would be a good time to plug my book, so here goes. -- I've written another book! http://www.runningipv6.net/
On 1/06/2007, at 4:32 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training.
Any clues?
If you want books, http://safari.oreilly.com/. My colleagues seem to be learning quite a bit from the books there, I think the "IPv6 Essentials" animal book is popular. -- Nathan Ward
Hi, there have been regular IPv6 workshops both at APRICOT (www.apricot.net) and SANOG (www.sanog.org), for the last few years. Nathan Ward wrote:
self-guided)? Looking to send several 1st and 2nd tier guys, for some platform/vendor-agnostic training.
Any clues?
If you want books, http://safari.oreilly.com/.
We have used the 'IPv6 Network Administration' by Murphy & Malone as supplementary material for the above workshops and would recommend it. You know it's a good book for operators when the authors have taken pain to contact RIPE-NCC and put in a whole sub-chapter on RIR policies etc.. Of course, YMMV, thanks -- gaurab
Alex Rubenstein writes:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)?
If your router vendor supports IPv6 (surprisingly, many do!): lab-router#conf t Enter configuration commands, one per line. End with CNTL/Z. lab-router(config)#ipv6 ? access-list Configure access lists cef Cisco Express Forwarding for IPv6 dhcp Configure IPv6 DHCP general-prefix Configure a general IPv6 prefix hop-limit Configure hop count limit host Configure static hostnames icmp Configure ICMP parameters local Specify local options mfib Multicast Forwarding mfib-mode Multicast Forwarding mode mld Global mld commands multicast-routing Enable IPv6 multicast neighbor Neighbor ospf OSPF pim Configure Protocol Independent Multicast prefix-list Build a prefix list route Configure static routes router Enable an IPV6 routing process unicast-routing Enable unicast routing lab-router(config)#ipv6 unicast-routing lab-router(config)#interface tengigabitEthernet 1/1 lab-router(config-if)#ipv6 ? IPv6 interface subcommands: address Configure IPv6 address on interface cef Cisco Express Forwarding for IPv6 dhcp IPv6 DHCP interface subcommands enable Enable IPv6 on interface mfib Interface Specific MFIB Control mld interface commands mtu Set IPv6 Maximum Transmission Unit nd IPv6 interface Neighbor Discovery subcommands ospf OSPF interface commands pim PIM interface commands policy Enable IPv6 policy routing redirects Enable sending of ICMP Redirect messages rip Configure RIP routing protocol router IPv6 Router interface commands traffic-filter Access control list for packets unnumbered Preferred interface for source address selection verify Enable per packet validation lab-router(config-if)#ipv6 enable [...] And then chances are good that you find useful training material on their Web sites, often not just command descriptions, but actual deployment guides. -- Simon.
simon@limmat.switch.ch wrote:
Alex Rubenstein writes:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)?
If your router vendor supports IPv6 (surprisingly, many do!):
Too bad the IPv6 support on the low-end Ciscos is mostly broken in many ways (does not work on WLAN, does not work across the local 4 port switch, etc.) , which are also the routers most classrooms could afford. Pete
lab-router#conf t Enter configuration commands, one per line. End with CNTL/Z. lab-router(config)#ipv6 ? access-list Configure access lists cef Cisco Express Forwarding for IPv6 dhcp Configure IPv6 DHCP general-prefix Configure a general IPv6 prefix hop-limit Configure hop count limit host Configure static hostnames icmp Configure ICMP parameters local Specify local options mfib Multicast Forwarding mfib-mode Multicast Forwarding mode mld Global mld commands multicast-routing Enable IPv6 multicast neighbor Neighbor ospf OSPF pim Configure Protocol Independent Multicast prefix-list Build a prefix list route Configure static routes router Enable an IPV6 routing process unicast-routing Enable unicast routing
lab-router(config)#ipv6 unicast-routing lab-router(config)#interface tengigabitEthernet 1/1 lab-router(config-if)#ipv6 ? IPv6 interface subcommands: address Configure IPv6 address on interface cef Cisco Express Forwarding for IPv6 dhcp IPv6 DHCP interface subcommands enable Enable IPv6 on interface mfib Interface Specific MFIB Control mld interface commands mtu Set IPv6 Maximum Transmission Unit nd IPv6 interface Neighbor Discovery subcommands ospf OSPF interface commands pim PIM interface commands policy Enable IPv6 policy routing redirects Enable sending of ICMP Redirect messages rip Configure RIP routing protocol router IPv6 Router interface commands traffic-filter Access control list for packets unnumbered Preferred interface for source address selection verify Enable per packet validation
lab-router(config-if)#ipv6 enable [...]
And then chances are good that you find useful training material on their Web sites, often not just command descriptions, but actual deployment guides.
On 3/06/2007, at 6:49 PM, Petri Helenius wrote:
simon@limmat.switch.ch wrote:
Alex Rubenstein writes:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)?
If your router vendor supports IPv6 (surprisingly, many do!):
Too bad the IPv6 support on the low-end Ciscos is mostly broken in many ways (does not work on WLAN, does not work across the local 4 port switch, etc.) , which are also the routers most classrooms could afford.
Indeed. Our little not-corporate-so-it-actually-works network has an 877W. We don't use the W bit anymore, so that I could turn on IPv6 and get our guys some experience actually using it for 'real life' applications outside of a routing lab. Not only is it not supported on dot11radio interfaces, it's not supported on BVIs and the various bridging things don't appear to want to bridge it. Unless these boxes get IPv6 support really fast, I will definitely be recommending against customers using them. -- Nathan Ward
Petri Helenius wrote:
simon@limmat.switch.ch wrote:
Alex Rubenstein writes:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)?
If your router vendor supports IPv6 (surprisingly, many do!):
Too bad the IPv6 support on the low-end Ciscos is mostly broken in many ways (does not work on WLAN, does not work across the local 4 port switch, etc.) , which are also the routers most classrooms could afford.
The magic answer to training setups: one big fat Xen box with a lot of VM's, virtual interfaces and of course: Quagga. It looks like a Cisco, it feels like a Cisco, it is almost a Cisco. At least the interface is more or less the same. And that is what people need to learn, the basics of configuration. If there is a little variation in commands they should be able to cope to that. If they only know how to type it into a Cisco then they didn't really learn about it. Yes it is different, no it is not as cool, but it makes it very cheap to learn people these things. That said of course, who still types directly into their routers? I do hope that folks use one of the nice (custom) router/device management tools out there which avoids all of that. Greets, Jeroen
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007, Jeroen Massar wrote:
The magic answer to training setups: one big fat Xen box with a lot of VM's, virtual interfaces and of course: Quagga.
It looks like a Cisco, it feels like a Cisco, it is almost a Cisco.
..oooor http://www.ipflow.utc.fr/index.php/Cisco_7200_Simulator Adrian
Adrian Chadd wrote:
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007, Jeroen Massar wrote:
The magic answer to training setups: one big fat Xen box with a lot of VM's, virtual interfaces and of course: Quagga.
It looks like a Cisco, it feels like a Cisco, it is almost a Cisco.
..oooor http://www.ipflow.utc.fr/index.php/Cisco_7200_Simulator
Which is a great thing, but license-way quite useless, as it still means that you will have to have an official license for each IOS you run, and as IOS comes with a box, you would either be able to run your real 7200, or the simulated one. Or does anyone know where you can get IOS-only licenses so that you can run it on simulators? Same goes for the Vendor J simulation/training thing that doesn't exist. When you are on the cheap and do not want to break any laws / want-vendor-x- to-ignore-you-for-the-rest-of-your-life then you better play it on the safe side and get proper licensing. At a certain point you will be more than comfortable with the cli anyway and configuring ethernet ports. There are afaik not many options to configure other types of ports on simulated hardware / quagga's though. Greets, Jeroen
The magic answer to training setups: one big fat Xen box with a lot of VM's, virtual interfaces and of course: Quagga.
You said "magic". Does this mean that there is a site where you can download ISOs for this big fat XEN box?
That said of course, who still types directly into their routers? I do hope that folks use one of the nice (custom) router/device management tools out there which avoids all of that.
You still have to figure out what to put into such a tool and that often involves quite a bit of labwork where you type things into routers and watch the results. --Michael Dillon
michael.dillon@bt.com wrote:
The magic answer to training setups: one big fat Xen box with a lot of VM's, virtual interfaces and of course: Quagga.
You said "magic". Does this mean that there is a site where you can download ISOs for this big fat XEN box?
www.debian.org www.ubuntu.org www.fedoraproject.org .... I guess you know how that works. (apt-get install quagga, *xen etc.. read the various FAQ's online) XORP is of course also a great one, but doesn't have the 100% cisco-alike feeling. You could possibly even use livecd's for this. It might be an idea for somebody indeed to make a pre-cooked iso which does something like this, then again, like quite a few other things, as it is quite specific, a mere "howto build a fat Xen-Quagga howto" might be more appropriate than yet another distribution...
That said of course, who still types directly into their routers? I do hope that folks use one of the nice (custom) router/device management tools out there which avoids all of that.
You still have to figure out what to put into such a tool and that often involves quite a bit of labwork where you type things into routers and watch the results.
Of course, but that is why, when you build a network, you first set it up in a lab. You can't make something when you don't know what you are going to do with it. A good extensible design and above all, a lot of experience, will help a lot in that area. Greets, Jeroen
Petri Helenius wrote:
simon@limmat.switch.ch wrote:
Alex Rubenstein writes:
Does anyone know of any good IPv6 training resources (classroom, or self-guided)?
If your router vendor supports IPv6 (surprisingly, many do!):
Too bad the IPv6 support on the low-end Ciscos is mostly broken in many ways (does not work on WLAN, does not work across the local 4 port switch, etc.) , which are also the routers most classrooms could afford.
Indeed! I can't route v6 on a BVI? Who forgot to check that out? Surprisingly, I worked around it by using a ~10 year old 1601R (with 16MB DRAM no less)!
participants (17)
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Adrian Chadd
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Alex Rubenstein
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Gaurab Raj Upadhaya
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Iljitsch van Beijnum
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Jeroen Massar
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JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
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Lucy Lynch
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matthew zeier
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michael.dillon@bt.com
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Nathan Ward
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Petri Helenius
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Quinn Kuzmich
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Scott Morris
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simon@limmat.switch.ch
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Tony Hain
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William B. Norton
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William F. Maton Sotomayor