Re: Where do your 911 fees go and why does 911 fail
--- Original message --- Subject: Re: Where do your 911 fees go and why does 911 fail From: Matt Erculiani <merculiani@gmail.com> To: Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org list <nanog@nanog.org> Date: Tuesday, 12/29/2020 15:19:00
This isn't the place where state governments are looking for feedback, so surely this will fall on deaf ears, but... Who runs 911 services on top of a single carrier solution? I wouldn't run a 10 seat mom and pop outfit without at least a cellular backup on a different carrier. 911 services are certainly not treated as critical as the public is led to believe. Not that anyone here is surprised by this, but hopefully positive change can come out of this otherwise horrible event.
BellSouth and the states were very closely aligned. I imagine it's a legacy deal. Once upon a time, your LEC was your solution, and regulation forms a relationship. (It's not always a bad thing, at least in practice.) Peter E. Fry
On Tue, 29 Dec 2020, Peter E. Fry wrote:
911 services are certainly not treated as critical as the public is led to believe. Not that anyone here is surprised by this, but hopefully positive change can come out of this otherwise horrible event.
The folks on this list likely know where the central Tennessee backup tandem office is located. Although its semi-public knowledge, I avoided mentioning its location until the immediate threat passed. LATAs don't have much legal meaning anymore, but every LATA had at least two tandem offices. Nevertheless, the "cloud" still depends on physical infrastructure. I'm sure there will be several investigations by regulators why all the 911 PSAPs didn't fail-over to the backup tandem office. Of course, single-homed circuits physically connected to the Nashville CO wouldn't fail-over.
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 2:13 PM Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
The folks on this list likely know where the central Tennessee backup tandem office is located. Although its semi-public knowledge, I avoided mentioning its location until the immediate threat passed. LATAs don't have much legal meaning anymore, but every LATA had at least two tandem offices.
Nevertheless, the "cloud" still depends on physical infrastructure.
I'm sure there will be several investigations by regulators why all the 911 PSAPs didn't fail-over to the backup tandem office. Of course, single-homed circuits physically connected to the Nashville CO wouldn't fail-over.
Amazing how much data is in LERG. -Nathan
Yeah there wasn't a lack of options for fail over. I suspect there was a lack of care to plan or test for them by many parties. Regardless, I personally have backed off really blaming bell for this one other than the cell towers going down. If you can't happily lose a campus for a week, it's the design that's the issue, not the non infinite uptime of the campus. On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 15:03 Nathan Stratton <nathan@robotics.net> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 2:13 PM Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
The folks on this list likely know where the central Tennessee backup tandem office is located. Although its semi-public knowledge, I avoided mentioning its location until the immediate threat passed. LATAs don't have much legal meaning anymore, but every LATA had at least two tandem offices.
Nevertheless, the "cloud" still depends on physical infrastructure.
I'm sure there will be several investigations by regulators why all the 911 PSAPs didn't fail-over to the backup tandem office. Of course, single-homed circuits physically connected to the Nashville CO wouldn't fail-over.
Amazing how much data is in LERG.
-Nathan
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