No, I actually meant IP version (IP as a protocol), but even if we pay for the IP address (also in Spain, 12 Euros per month for a single static IPv4 address), we pay it because the services associated to it, not the IP address itself, right ? Regards, Jordi

De: "Edward W. Ray" <eray@netsecdesign.com> Organización: NetSec Design & Consulting, Inc. Responder a: <eray@netsecdesign.com> Fecha: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:45:43 -0700 Para: <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>, <nanog@merit.edu> Asunto: RE: IPv6 news

"Consumers don't pay for IP at all"

If you are referring to IP addresses, I pay $50/month for my Class C space, which I use from home to run my (small) company servers.

If you want a static IP from any ISP, they usually charge for it.

Edward W. Ray CISSP, MCSE 2003+Security, P.E., SANS GCIA Gold, SANS GCIH Gold President NetSec Design & Consulting (714) 997-9226 -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:21 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: IPv6 news

I don't think people upgrade anymore to 98, but at least to XP (if they do now, at the end of next year will be doing to Vista).

I don't think either all the corporations take so long as 2 years to upgrade.

Of course, I don't have concrete logs to show on anything of this, but is not marketing just personal view based on experience with customers ;-) By the way, if we start requiring logs for any comment that we do in this list, then it may happen that the list is not so useful.

I disagree also that IPv6 is painful for the consumer, on the other way around. Today they need to look into manuals for configuring STBs and other devices. Most of the time this cost a lot of troubleshooting and support to vendors and ISPs, which I know is not worth for even if charged to the customer.

Consumers don't pay for IP at all, but for having things easier (not reading manuals, not needing to configure tech stuff), having more services and apps. Having more services and apps running into our networks will mean more revenue, depending on your business model (such as more free and PAY TV channels in a sat dish), and possibly because the increase in BW demand.

I also see much more customers interest in IPv6 outside of NA, but may be my wrong perception, and not talking about academia.

Regards, Jordi

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De: Sean Figgins <sean@labrats.us> Responder a: <owner-nanog@merit.edu> Fecha: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:56:27 -0600 (MDT) Para: "nanog@merit.edu" <nanog@merit.edu> Asunto: Re: IPv6 news

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:

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And in 6-12 months the new Vista will start replacing XP,

Will start replacing XP on new consumer-grade computers. Corporations will take another 2-4 years to switch, and other people might have upgraded to windows 98 from 3.11 by then.

I think that we need to buy as much time as possible for IP, as V6 is going to be extremely painful for the consumer, and thus the consumer is not going to want to adopt it.

Our jobs, as network designers and operators will be make it seemless to the consumer without forcing them to shell out a thousand or more dollars on new Windows software, and the hardware that will be required to run it on. If that is devising some sort of NAT for the large percentage of customers that don't care, then that may be the direction we need to take.

I have thought for a long time that which v6 is a worthy academic persuit, customers are hardly interested in it when what they have now works.

-Sean

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