http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175172.html Leaders of the nation's largest corporations are designing a new communications network that would alert them immediately to a terrorist attack and enable them to instantly talk with one another and government officials about how to respond. Interesting idea. It would be nice if ISPs also had a way to instantly talk with one another. http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/infrastructure/comments/Donelan.htm
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:55:26PM -0500, William Allen Simpson wrote:
Indeed. Once upon a time... one wonders why that is no longer the case. It isn't as if a MOO (or any other flavor of favorite server) takes up much. Is nobody offering, or is nobody using what's offered? If it's just a matter of nobody offering, after all, even I can fix that... -- *************************************************************************** Joel Baker System Administrator - lightbearer.com lucifer@lightbearer.com http://users.lightbearer.com/lucifer/
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:06:54PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote:
Or just put up an IRC server, as long as you don't link it to EFNet noone will packet it. :) If thats too much trouble, try an AIM chat room. I don't think its worth making a whole mud over (no offense to MOO :P). -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
It'd be great if we had our own Slashdot site, with sections for outage reports, bulletins, and threaded discussions that were spun off from the main NANOG list because they were only of interest to a small group. The Slashdot source is available but the install sounds fairly complex - multiple perl modules, mySQL, etc. We've thought about developing a prototype at Merit, but volunteers would certainly be welcome.
Hello Susan, I assist in setting up Slashdot style sites all the time, and would be happy to put something together, if there is enough interest. That being said, mailing lists do not always translate well into forum sites. In fact, the result is usually an unused forum that does not server a real purpose. I'd like to see what type of interest, if any, there is in a forum style site. In order to avoid wasting bandwidth, you are welcome to reply to me private with a +/-1 and I will be happy to post the results. Thursday, March 14, 2002, 8:58:13 AM, you wrote: SH> It'd be great if we had our own Slashdot site, with sections for outage SH> reports, bulletins, and threaded discussions that were spun off from the SH> main NANOG list because they were only of interest to a small group. The SH> Slashdot source is available but the install sounds fairly complex - SH> multiple perl modules, mySQL, etc. We've thought about developing a SH> prototype at Merit, but volunteers would certainly be welcome. allan -- allan allan@allan.org http://www.allan.org
When did the Internet become CENTRAL to national security???? Mildly important? Sure. Central? No way! I think Senator Burns is mistaking national security for political security therefore he must DO SOMETHING about the problems at ICANN. Senator Burns, put down the microphone and back away from the cameras! <snip>
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On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 01:20:55PM -0800, Larry Diffey wrote:
The day that more than a few businesses started making it part of their core process. Guess what, folks? Those customers you value so much, the ones who pay your salary - they depend on you. Turn a major portion of the network off, and you won't kill the economy as we know it; but there sure as well would be a Film At 11, and a whole lot of companies scrambling to figure out what the hell to do to keep functioning (not to mention some few stock markets, monetary exchanges, and a number of other places who would continue to function, but only in a lesser capacity). The government quite values business. They pay for most of their campaigns. And, hell, for that matter, the country's economy *is* a matter of national concern. Does this mean the whole bit with ICANN is warranted? I couldn't really say. But it does mean that we *are* on the radar for these folks. Many folks have made predictions that the Internet would not be allowed to run unregulated once it became as crucial as the technophiles envisioned it to be; this sort of questioning is *exactly* what you should have been expecting. Whether it goes further, I will not attempt to predict, but the fact that it has arrived should not be suprising anyone who's even mildly aware of the world outside the innards of a router. -- *************************************************************************** Joel Baker System Administrator - lightbearer.com lucifer@lightbearer.com http://users.lightbearer.com/lucifer/
I suppose it depends on what you define as national security. The smooth running of government is important to national security and you will find that in nearly every facet of government the Internet has started to play a major part, atleast for email, but much more in some cases. The problem with this is that most of these changes haven't been as well co-ordinated as they might have been, so when there is no Internet figure out the processes to get basic things done doesn't exist. The deployment of email for many organisations has been unplanned i.e. it was switched on one day. The backup systems/processes for when its down don't exist anymore or aren't kept uptodate. Even international inter-government issues are dealt with over the Internet now. So in my view the Internet is important to national and probably global security. Which I think everyone on this list should be somewhat happy about. Regards, Neil.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Steve Feldman wrote:
Yep, IPNMOO is still around, and some people use it. NANOG is the closest thing we have to a "all-hands" channel, but lots of people don't like the signal to noise ratio. I have my nocwire list, but its mostly just interesting things sean saw on the net. Individual engineers use IRC, AIM, etc to communicate with people they know. Its informal, but so far it has served us well.
Also sprach Sean Donelan
It's still there, but doesn't see much activity these days.
Its informal, but so far it has served us well.
It might be worthwhile to post a pointer to this MOO. There have been several posts about it, but no pointers on how to access it. I only have very limited experience with MUD's/MOO's/whatever, but I'm certainly willing to give it a shot if it helps inter-provider communication. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
google: ipnmoo (it's not really hiding) it's many years old, and inspired by the spirit originally intended by craig's ipn-list. (i.e., it wasn't kc's idea) it's still supported (at the very least) but i don't consider it a reasonable substitute for the Right Way. but then i don't see any other Reasonable Substitutes for the Right Way (i.e.., beyond nanog-mailinglist) gaining any traction, so i probably shouldn't be so hard on it. http://www.caida.org/projects/ipnmoo/ telnet://ipnmoo.caida.org:4766/ (note i moved it from www.caida.org:4766; i'll get the web page fixed tomorrow) k On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:33:28PM -0500, Jeff Mcadams wrote: Also sprach Sean Donelan
It's still there, but doesn't see much activity these days.
Its informal, but so far it has served us well.
It might be worthwhile to post a pointer to this MOO. There have been several posts about it, but no pointers on how to access it. I only have very limited experience with MUD's/MOO's/whatever, but I'm certainly willing to give it a shot if it helps inter-provider communication. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Sean Donelan wrote: :http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175172.html : Leaders of the nation's largest corporations are designing a new : communications network that would alert them immediately to a terrorist : attack and enable them to instantly talk with one another and government : officials about how to respond. I get threat updates a few times a day from various sources as a part of my job, and what I have noticed is that the most valuble updates are the ones where someone has put a few hours worth of analysis into them.
From this article, the value of this service is a central point of co-ordination, not unlike CERT, FIRST or (I think) the NIPC at the FBI.
Nanog is actually a pretty effective forum for these issues as, it is an ongoing way of maintaining connections between decision makers and subject matter experts. :Interesting idea. It would be nice if ISPs also had a way to :instantly talk with one another. :http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/infrastructure/comments/Donelan.htm What if someone were to offer one of those CNN satellite video terminals at a reasonable rate with a package including a sat/cell phone, conference bridge numbers, with alternates and backups etc..? The service would have to be offered by someone with the credibility to assess threats, and be able to co-ordinate response once subscribers started calling in. It is one thing to get people on the phone, it is another to co-ordinate emergency management strategy with people who are busy, don't have security expertise, and may not have been briefed on the complexity of the situation. Personally, I think the NIPC is probably the only group with the mandate and access to expertise neccesary for something like this for the ISP and telcom world, outside the industries themselves. Could a service like this could sustain itself profitably? Could a private industry consortium have broad enough influence to be effective? This is a complicated issue. Maybe I'm off base, but Nanog is actually really good. Combined with Bugtraq, Incidents, and a virus alert service, Nanog plays a vital role. Their only limitation is that they are on the Internet. :) -- batz
participants (18)
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Allan Liska
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batz
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Jeff Mcadams
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Jeffrey Meltzer
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Joel Baker
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k claffy
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Larry Diffey
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mike harrison
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neil@DOMINO.ORG
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Richard A Steenbergen
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Richard Forno
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Robert A. Hayden
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Sean Donelan
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Steve Feldman
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Susan Harris
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Tony Hain
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Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
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William Allen Simpson