"100 times faster" is also the language used by the cable companies and vendors of MCNS cable modems to describe their products. $200 price point and retail availability are also part of that business model. The "up to" might mean cable modems are one of a number of alternatives being considered for the last mile. Cisco has made a significant and apparently successful jump into the cable modem business so I suspect that's at least part of the plan. Doug Stanfield Oceanic Cable Data Networking Manager 200 Akamainui St. dougs@oceanic.com Mililani, HI 96789 >"Up to 100 times faster than conventional modems" is said in their >press release. >Perhaps this $200 unit is the NT1-equivalent. If so, it's damn cheap. >If not, why isnt billing built into the customer-end equipment? A $200 ADSL modem sounds about right and the billing will most likely be in the router/switch you are connected to, not prem-based.
The Cisco box that you are referring to is the -very- cool UBR7246. Cisco is also working on many cable system integration projects...can't say exactly who (NDA), but suffice it to say the UBR gear works wonderfully and with Road Runners gear capable of doing voice, the last mile issue goes away in a hurry. Derek -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Doug Stanfield Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 8:27 PM To: 'Brad Daugherty' Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Sprint's New ION products "100 times faster" is also the language used by the cable companies and vendors of MCNS cable modems to describe their products. $200 price point and retail availability are also part of that business model. The "up to" might mean cable modems are one of a number of alternatives being considered for the last mile. Cisco has made a significant and apparently successful jump into the cable modem business so I suspect that's at least part of the plan. Doug Stanfield Oceanic Cable Data Networking Manager 200 Akamainui St. dougs@oceanic.com Mililani, HI 96789 >"Up to 100 times faster than conventional modems" is said in their >press release. >Perhaps this $200 unit is the NT1-equivalent. If so, it's damn cheap. >If not, why isnt billing built into the customer-end equipment? A $200 ADSL modem sounds about right and the billing will most likely be in the router/switch you are connected to, not prem-based.
I dont think that is what was implied off their web page press release (really easy to find, goto their page, goto press releases it should be the first one or two :) They said that they would provide online access, multiple voice calls, faxes, etc at the same time on an existing telephone line (I read 'an existing telephone line' to be a pair of wires, however they may be using 2 pair since most houses are wired with that).. But you are supposed to get everything at the same time on the same wire.. Cable modems for the last mile wouldnt allow this.. xDSL wouldnt allow this, at least not in its present implementation.. I think the marketing guys made a promise or two that they cannot yet deliver (however the article did say that there were a few new patents on this technology, which means that its new and buggy more than likely :) ---Reply on mail from Doug Stanfield about Sprint's New ION products
"100 times faster" is also the language used by the cable companies and vendors of MCNS cable modems to describe their products. $200 price point and retail availability are also part of that business model. The "up to" might mean cable modems are one of a number of alternatives being considered for the last mile. Cisco has made a significant and apparently successful jump into the cable modem business so I suspect that's at least part of the plan.
---End reply -- Bret McDanel http://www.rehost.com Realistic Technologies, Inc. 973-514-1144 These opinions are mine, and may not be the same as my employer
At 9:37 AM -0400 6/4/98, Bret McDanel wrote:
I dont think that is what was implied off their web page press release (really easy to find, goto their page, goto press releases it should be the first one or two :)
They said that they would provide online access, multiple voice calls, faxes, etc at the same time on an existing telephone line (I read 'an existing telephone line' to be a pair of wires, however they may be using 2 pair since most houses are wired with that)..
But you are supposed to get everything at the same time on the same wire.. Cable modems for the last mile wouldnt allow this.. xDSL wouldnt allow this, at least not in its present implementation..
I think the marketing guys made a promise or two that they cannot yet deliver (however the article did say that there were a few new patents on this technology, which means that its new and buggy more than likely :)
No, I think they mean H.323 (voice over IP). Then you just need a box at the customer end to split out the voice packets to a telephone, and a phone switch that can send voice calls to IP. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP/DCE http://www.av8.com We Make IT Fly! (617)242-3091 x246 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The Cisco box that you are referring to is the -very- cool UBR7246. Cisco is also working on many cable system integration projects...can't say exactly who (NDA), but suffice it to say the UBR gear works wonderfully and with Road Runners gear capable of doing voice, the last mile issue goes away in a hurry. Derek -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Doug Stanfield Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 8:27 PM To: 'Brad Daugherty' Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Sprint's New ION products "100 times faster" is also the language used by the cable companies and vendors of MCNS cable modems to describe their products. $200 price point and retail availability are also part of that business model. The "up to" might mean cable modems are one of a number of alternatives being considered for the last mile. Cisco has made a significant and apparently successful jump into the cable modem business so I suspect that's at least part of the plan. Doug Stanfield Oceanic Cable Data Networking Manager 200 Akamainui St. dougs@oceanic.com Mililani, HI 96789 >"Up to 100 times faster than conventional modems" is said in their >press release. >Perhaps this $200 unit is the NT1-equivalent. If so, it's damn cheap. >If not, why isnt billing built into the customer-end equipment? A $200 ADSL modem sounds about right and the billing will most likely be in the router/switch you are connected to, not prem-based.
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Bret McDanel
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