Re: The Gorgon's Knot. Was: Re: Verio Peering Question
Sean Donelan writes: | Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner. We didn't need the filters, but | it got more money by filtering routes, so it kept them. | | Although many people suspected that was the reason, Sprint's sales | and marketing people denied it for years. Because some of them, unlike you, understood (or at least were told) that we DID need the filter, otherwise the Internet would start becoming too expensive to continue growing. The entire Internet, not just Sprintlink. I realize that this is hard for you to wrap your brain around when you're in a rant against an evil corporate behemoth, but try just for a second to believe that people can act altruistically and in self-interest SIMULTANEOUSLY. | They said buy your circuit from Sprint and you can bypass Sprint's "save | the Internet" filters. That was true. However, if they said it would bypass anyone else's filter, or that there was zero chance of anyone else installing a similar filter, that would be a lie. Well, almost -- not many similar filters got installed. Blame Sprint's then-competition for being too stupid to protect their market share (and incidentally simultaneously act altruistically!). | If you asked a Sprint sales guy why Sprint had | the filters, the answer was generally along the lines "if Sprint didn't | have the filter, the Internet would collapse." That was true. Sean.
On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Sean M. Doran wrote:
try just for a second to believe that people can act altruistically and in self-interest SIMULTANEOUSLY.
The altruistic behaviour is shown to arise from self-interest: "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins ponders that point to death. --vadim
On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Sean M. Doran wrote:
Because some of them, unlike you, understood (or at least were told) that we DID need the filter, otherwise the Internet would start becoming too expensive to continue growing.
The entire Internet, not just Sprintlink.
Other providers never adopted filters, Sprint has since dropped its filters. The Internet is still growing. It even continued to grow faster because Sprint couldn't control its own route announcements.
similar filters got installed. Blame Sprint's then-competition for being too stupid to protect their market share (and incidentally simultaneously act altruistically!).
Its difficult to view the act as altruistic, when in the face of impending doom, it continued to spew forth as many different routes as it did. But perhaps we didn't recognize the behavior as a cry for help. Much like and addict, it couldn't stop itself from prostituting itself while at the same time criticizing other providers for the same behaivor. Many a politician and religious leader has condemned the sinner, only to be found in bed with the sinner themselves. A hypocritic condemns others for what he does himself. If you really believed the Internet was facing immenient doom, why not also save it by also filtering the outbound announcements. Why engage in the very behaivor your condemnded? Its not that difficult to apply the same filter on both the inbound and outbound route announcements. I'm sure someone on this list can post the appropriate Cisco and Juniper configs if you don't have them.
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