Problems with either Cisco.com or AT&T?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No idea -- maybe just a hiccup? - From my office in San Jose: %traceroute www.cisco.com Tracing route to www.cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops: [snip] 7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms so-3-0-0.mpr2.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.30.173] 8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms above-att.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.13.50] 9 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.12.2] 10 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.74] 11 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.2.253] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * ^C - From MIT: Tracing to: www.cisco.com 1 legacy26-0.default.csail.mit.edu (18.26.0.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 2 kalgan.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.245) [AS40] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 3 B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 4 EXTERNAL-RTR-1-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.18) [AS3] 1 ms 4 ms 2 ms 5 ge-6-23.car2.Boston1.Level3.net (4.79.2.1) [AS3356] 0 ms * 0 ms 6 * * ae-5-5.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.132.250) [AS3356] 8 ms 7 ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.66) [AS3356] 10 ms 5 ms 16 ms 8 ae-13-69.car3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.5) [AS3356] 67 ms 59 ms 58 ms 9 att-level3-oc192.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.150) [AS3356] 17 ms 127 ms 12 ms 10 tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.57) [] [MPLS: Label 31537 Exp 0] 80 ms 79 ms 79 ms 11 12.122.16.153 (12.122.16.153) [] [MPLS: Label 19 Exp 0] 76 ms 77 ms 77 ms 12 cr1.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.190) [] [MPLS: Label 1188 Exp 0] 77 ms 76 ms 77 ms 13 12.122.17.146 (12.122.17.146) [] [MPLS: Label 31051 Exp 0] 77 ms 78 ms 78 ms 14 tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.6) [] [MPLS: Label 31320 Exp 0] 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms 15 gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.74) [] [MPLS: Label 323 Exp 0] 72 ms 71 ms 71 ms 16 gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.253) [] 76 ms 76 ms 77 ms 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.2 (Build 2014) wj8DBQFGugixq1pz9mNUZTMRAnY3AKCIeE2oiRKl11ZRgsOLs/q6J5TyLwCgi/SQ mnTSn9TJY+yB2cjZSeKaulM= =DGbM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
Im seeing issues at sbc as well P:\>tracert cisco.com Tracing route to cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.5.7.254 2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 209.10.21.253 3 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms 209.10.9.37 4 28 ms 27 ms 27 ms 209.10.9.25 5 28 ms 27 ms 27 ms g-1-0-0.core2.nyc15.qualitytech.com [209.10.10.186] 6 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms so-1-0-0.core1.cgx2.globix.net [209.10.10.161] 7 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms pos-2-0.peer1.cgx3.globix.net [209.10.12.82] 8 316 ms 330 ms 326 ms ex1-g1-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net [206.223.119.79] 9 368 ms 352 ms 333 ms ded4-g8-3-0.sntc01.pbi.net [151.164.41.165] 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * * * Request timed out. 15 * * * Request timed out. 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Regards, -- Christian J. Koch Network Engineer Quality Technology Services Direct: 212.334.8551 Mobile: 646.300.3387 Christian.Koch@qualitytech.com Key Fingerprint: A8F1 2265 DD05 EC8C 2F3C 1556 51B1 F193 D2DA DED3 -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:17 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Problems with either Cisco.com or AT&T? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No idea -- maybe just a hiccup? - From my office in San Jose: %traceroute www.cisco.com Tracing route to www.cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops: [snip] 7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms so-3-0-0.mpr2.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.30.173] 8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms above-att.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.13.50] 9 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.12.2] 10 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.74] 11 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.2.253] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * ^C - From MIT: Tracing to: www.cisco.com 1 legacy26-0.default.csail.mit.edu (18.26.0.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 2 kalgan.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.245) [AS40] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 3 B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 4 EXTERNAL-RTR-1-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.18) [AS3] 1 ms 4 ms 2 ms 5 ge-6-23.car2.Boston1.Level3.net (4.79.2.1) [AS3356] 0 ms * 0 ms 6 * * ae-5-5.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.132.250) [AS3356] 8 ms 7 ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.66) [AS3356] 10 ms 5 ms 16 ms 8 ae-13-69.car3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.5) [AS3356] 67 ms 59 ms 58 ms 9 att-level3-oc192.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.150) [AS3356] 17 ms 127 ms 12 ms 10 tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.57) [] [MPLS: Label 31537 Exp 0] 80 ms 79 ms 79 ms 11 12.122.16.153 (12.122.16.153) [] [MPLS: Label 19 Exp 0] 76 ms 77 ms 77 ms 12 cr1.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.190) [] [MPLS: Label 1188 Exp 0] 77 ms 76 ms 77 ms 13 12.122.17.146 (12.122.17.146) [] [MPLS: Label 31051 Exp 0] 77 ms 78 ms 78 ms 14 tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.6) [] [MPLS: Label 31320 Exp 0] 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms 15 gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.74) [] [MPLS: Label 323 Exp 0] 72 ms 71 ms 71 ms 16 gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.253) [] 76 ms 76 ms 77 ms 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.2 (Build 2014) wj8DBQFGugixq1pz9mNUZTMRAnY3AKCIeE2oiRKl11ZRgsOLs/q6J5TyLwCgi/SQ mnTSn9TJY+yB2cjZSeKaulM= =DGbM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
Useless also from Sprint (via AT&T in the middle) & Cogent - Dies at the pbi.net address. Koch, Christian wrote:
Im seeing issues at sbc as well P:\>tracert cisco.com
Tracing route to cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.5.7.254 2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 209.10.21.253 3 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms 209.10.9.37 4 28 ms 27 ms 27 ms 209.10.9.25 5 28 ms 27 ms 27 ms g-1-0-0.core2.nyc15.qualitytech.com [209.10.10.186] 6 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms so-1-0-0.core1.cgx2.globix.net [209.10.10.161] 7 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms pos-2-0.peer1.cgx3.globix.net [209.10.12.82] 8 316 ms 330 ms 326 ms ex1-g1-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net [206.223.119.79] 9 368 ms 352 ms 333 ms ded4-g8-3-0.sntc01.pbi.net [151.164.41.165] 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * * * Request timed out. 15 * * * Request timed out. 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out.
Regards,
-- Christian J. Koch Network Engineer Quality Technology Services Direct: 212.334.8551 Mobile: 646.300.3387 Christian.Koch@qualitytech.com
Key Fingerprint: A8F1 2265 DD05 EC8C 2F3C 1556 51B1 F193 D2DA DED3 -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:17 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Problems with either Cisco.com or AT&T?
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No idea -- maybe just a hiccup?
- From my office in San Jose:
%traceroute www.cisco.com
Tracing route to www.cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops:
[snip]
7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms so-3-0-0.mpr2.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.30.173]
8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms above-att.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.13.50] 9 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.12.2] 10 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.74] 11 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.2.253] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * ^C
- From MIT:
Tracing to: www.cisco.com
1 legacy26-0.default.csail.mit.edu (18.26.0.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 2 kalgan.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.245) [AS40] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 3 B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 4 EXTERNAL-RTR-1-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.18) [AS3] 1 ms 4 ms 2 ms 5 ge-6-23.car2.Boston1.Level3.net (4.79.2.1) [AS3356] 0 ms * 0 ms 6 * * ae-5-5.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.132.250) [AS3356] 8 ms 7 ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.66) [AS3356] 10 ms 5 ms 16 ms 8 ae-13-69.car3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.5) [AS3356] 67 ms 59 ms 58 ms 9 att-level3-oc192.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.150) [AS3356] 17 ms 127 ms 12 ms 10 tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.57) [] [MPLS: Label 31537 Exp 0] 80 ms 79 ms 79 ms 11 12.122.16.153 (12.122.16.153) [] [MPLS: Label 19 Exp 0] 76 ms 77 ms 77 ms 12 cr1.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.190) [] [MPLS: Label 1188 Exp 0] 77 ms 76 ms 77 ms 13 12.122.17.146 (12.122.17.146) [] [MPLS: Label 31051 Exp 0] 77 ms 78 ms 78 ms 14 tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.6) [] [MPLS: Label 31320 Exp 0] 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms 15 gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.74) [] [MPLS: Label 323 Exp 0] 72 ms 71 ms 71 ms 16 gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.253) [] 76 ms 76 ms 77 ms 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * *
- - ferg
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-- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
<mtr snip> 9. tbr2.sffca.ip.att.net 0.0% 6.8 5.5 4.7 6.8 0.4 10. gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net 0.0% 3.2 36.5 3.2 181.8 66.9 11. gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net 0.0% 4.3 4.0 3.5 4.4 0.2 12. ??? down from here too -wil On Aug 8, 2007, at 6:17 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
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No idea -- maybe just a hiccup?
- From my office in San Jose:
%traceroute www.cisco.com
Tracing route to www.cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops:
[snip]
7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms so-3-0-0.mpr2.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.30.173]
8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms above-att.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.13.50] 9 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.12.2] 10 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.74] 11 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.2.253] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * ^C
- From MIT:
Tracing to: www.cisco.com
1 legacy26-0.default.csail.mit.edu (18.26.0.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 2 kalgan.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.245) [AS40] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 3 B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 4 EXTERNAL-RTR-1-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.18) [AS3] 1 ms 4 ms 2 ms 5 ge-6-23.car2.Boston1.Level3.net (4.79.2.1) [AS3356] 0 ms * 0 ms 6 * * ae-5-5.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.132.250) [AS3356] 8 ms 7 ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.66) [AS3356] 10 ms 5 ms 16 ms 8 ae-13-69.car3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.5) [AS3356] 67 ms 59 ms 58 ms 9 att-level3-oc192.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.150) [AS3356] 17 ms 127 ms 12 ms 10 tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.57) [] [MPLS: Label 31537 Exp 0] 80 ms 79 ms 79 ms 11 12.122.16.153 (12.122.16.153) [] [MPLS: Label 19 Exp 0] 76 ms 77 ms 77 ms 12 cr1.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.190) [] [MPLS: Label 1188 Exp 0] 77 ms 76 ms 77 ms 13 12.122.17.146 (12.122.17.146) [] [MPLS: Label 31051 Exp 0] 77 ms 78 ms 78 ms 14 tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.6) [] [MPLS: Label 31320 Exp 0] 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms 15 gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.74) [] [MPLS: Label 323 Exp 0] 72 ms 71 ms 71 ms 16 gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.253) [] 76 ms 76 ms 77 ms 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * *
- - ferg
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-- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
Getting to Cisco now, but server is resetting the connection... Power outage maybe? <mtr snip> 9. tbr2.sffca.ip.att.net 2.5% 3.8 5.0 3.4 68.4 3.2 sjck-dmzdc-gw2-gig1-1.cisco.com 10. gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net 3.8% 3.9 15.6 2.7 274.1 39.3 sjce-dmzbb-gw1.cisco.com 11. gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net 3.8% 4.0 3.6 3.3 13.1 0.5 sjck-dmzdc-gw2-gig1-1.cisco.com 12. 12.118.124.10 98.5% 4.6 4.4 3.8 4.9 0.2 13. sjce-dmzbb- gw1.cisco.com 98.5% 5.2 20.8 4.4 387.4 58.6 14. sjck-dmzdc-gw2- gig1-1.cisco.com 9 8.6% 5.4 5.4 4.9 6.2 0.3 15. ??? -wil On Aug 8, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Wil Schultz wrote:
<mtr snip>
9. tbr2.sffca.ip.att.net
0.0% 6.8 5.5 4.7 6.8 0.4 10. gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net
0.0% 3.2 36.5 3.2 181.8 66.9 11. gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net
0.0% 4.3 4.0 3.5 4.4 0.2 12. ???
down from here too
-wil
On Aug 8, 2007, at 6:17 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
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No idea -- maybe just a hiccup?
- From my office in San Jose:
%traceroute www.cisco.com
Tracing route to www.cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops:
[snip]
7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms so-3-0-0.mpr2.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.30.173]
8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms above-att.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.13.50] 9 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.12.2] 10 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.74] 11 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.2.253] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * ^C
- From MIT:
Tracing to: www.cisco.com
1 legacy26-0.default.csail.mit.edu (18.26.0.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 2 kalgan.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.245) [AS40] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 3 B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 4 EXTERNAL-RTR-1-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.18) [AS3] 1 ms 4 ms 2 ms 5 ge-6-23.car2.Boston1.Level3.net (4.79.2.1) [AS3356] 0 ms * 0 ms 6 * * ae-5-5.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.132.250) [AS3356] 8 ms 7 ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.66) [AS3356] 10 ms 5 ms 16 ms 8 ae-13-69.car3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.5) [AS3356] 67 ms 59 ms 58 ms 9 att-level3-oc192.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.150) [AS3356] 17 ms 127 ms 12 ms 10 tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.57) [] [MPLS: Label 31537 Exp 0] 80 ms 79 ms 79 ms 11 12.122.16.153 (12.122.16.153) [] [MPLS: Label 19 Exp 0] 76 ms 77 ms 77 ms 12 cr1.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.190) [] [MPLS: Label 1188 Exp 0] 77 ms 76 ms 77 ms 13 12.122.17.146 (12.122.17.146) [] [MPLS: Label 31051 Exp 0] 77 ms 78 ms 78 ms 14 tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.6) [] [MPLS: Label 31320 Exp 0] 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms 15 gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.74) [] [MPLS: Label 323 Exp 0] 72 ms 71 ms 71 ms 16 gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.253) [] 76 ms 76 ms 77 ms 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * *
- - ferg
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-- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
Me too, looks like were riding uunet there now 6 3 ms <1 ms <1 ms POS1-0-0.GW18.NYC4.ALTER.NET [157.130.21.73] 7 2 ms 9 ms 1 ms 0.ge-3-0-0.XL3.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.22.226] 8 73 ms 72 ms 73 ms 0.so-1-0-0.XL1.SJC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.50.26] 9 72 ms 72 ms 72 ms POS6-0.GW5.SJC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.54.17] 10 73 ms 73 ms 74 ms cisco-sjc-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.198.78] 11 81 ms 74 ms 73 ms sjce-dmzbb-gw1.cisco.com [128.107.239.89] 12 * * -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Wil Schultz Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:46 PM To: Nanog@Merit. Edu Subject: Re: Problems with either Cisco.com or AT&T? Getting to Cisco now, but server is resetting the connection... Power outage maybe? <mtr snip> 9. tbr2.sffca.ip.att.net 2.5% 3.8 5.0 3.4 68.4 3.2 sjck-dmzdc-gw2-gig1-1.cisco.com 10. gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net 3.8% 3.9 15.6 2.7 274.1 39.3 sjce-dmzbb-gw1.cisco.com 11. gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net 3.8% 4.0 3.6 3.3 13.1 0.5 sjck-dmzdc-gw2-gig1-1.cisco.com 12. 12.118.124.10 98.5% 4.6 4.4 3.8 4.9 0.2 13. sjce-dmzbb- gw1.cisco.com 98.5% 5.2 20.8 4.4 387.4 58.6 14. sjck-dmzdc-gw2- gig1-1.cisco.com 9 8.6% 5.4 5.4 4.9 6.2 0.3 15. ??? -wil On Aug 8, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Wil Schultz wrote:
<mtr snip>
9. tbr2.sffca.ip.att.net
0.0% 6.8 5.5 4.7 6.8 0.4 10. gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net
0.0% 3.2 36.5 3.2 181.8 66.9 11. gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net
0.0% 4.3 4.0 3.5 4.4 0.2 12. ???
down from here too
-wil
On Aug 8, 2007, at 6:17 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
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No idea -- maybe just a hiccup?
- From my office in San Jose:
%traceroute www.cisco.com
Tracing route to www.cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops:
[snip]
7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms so-3-0-0.mpr2.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.30.173]
8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms above-att.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.13.50] 9 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.12.2] 10 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.74] 11 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.2.253] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * ^C
- From MIT:
Tracing to: www.cisco.com
1 legacy26-0.default.csail.mit.edu (18.26.0.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0
ms 2 kalgan.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.245) [AS40] 0 ms 0 ms 0
ms 3 B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 4 EXTERNAL-RTR-1-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.18) [AS3] 1 ms 4 ms 2 ms 5 ge-6-23.car2.Boston1.Level3.net (4.79.2.1) [AS3356] 0 ms * 0 ms 6 * * ae-5-5.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.132.250) [AS3356] 8 ms 7 ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.66) [AS3356] 10 ms 5 ms 16 ms 8 ae-13-69.car3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.5) [AS3356] 67 ms 59 ms 58 ms 9 att-level3-oc192.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.150) [AS3356] 17 ms 127 ms 12 ms 10 tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.57) [] [MPLS: Label 31537 Exp 0]
80 ms 79 ms 79 ms 11 12.122.16.153 (12.122.16.153) [] [MPLS: Label 19 Exp 0] 76 ms 77 ms 77 ms 12 cr1.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.190) [] [MPLS: Label 1188 Exp 0] 77 ms 76 ms 77 ms 13 12.122.17.146 (12.122.17.146) [] [MPLS: Label 31051 Exp 0] 77 ms
78 ms 78 ms 14 tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.6) [] [MPLS: Label 31320 Exp 0]
78 ms 78 ms 78 ms 15 gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.74) [] [MPLS: Label 323 Exp 0] 72 ms 71 ms 71 ms 16 gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.253) [] 76 ms 76 ms 77 ms 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * *
- - ferg
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http://infiltrated.net/ciscoOutage.jpg -- ==================================================== J. Oquendo "Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta" http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF684C42E sil . infiltrated @ net http://www.infiltrated.net
Ditto. We've had a few folks contact the Internet Storm Center about this. First report came in at 2 pm ET. Marc -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:17 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Problems with either Cisco.com or AT&T? *** PGP SIGNATURE VERIFICATION *** *** Status: Good Signature from Invalid Key *** Alert: Please verify signer's key before trusting signature. *** Signer: Paul Ferguson <paul_ferguson@trendmicro.com> (0x63546533) *** Signed: 8/8/2007 2:17:21 PM *** Verified: 8/8/2007 2:31:04 PM *** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** No idea -- maybe just a hiccup?
From my office in San Jose:
%traceroute www.cisco.com Tracing route to www.cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops: [snip] 7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms so-3-0-0.mpr2.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.30.173] 8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms above-att.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.13.50] 9 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.12.2] 10 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.74] 11 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.2.253] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * ^C
From MIT:
Tracing to: www.cisco.com 1 legacy26-0.default.csail.mit.edu (18.26.0.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 2 kalgan.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.245) [AS40] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 3 B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 4 EXTERNAL-RTR-1-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.18) [AS3] 1 ms 4 ms 2 ms 5 ge-6-23.car2.Boston1.Level3.net (4.79.2.1) [AS3356] 0 ms * 0 ms 6 * * ae-5-5.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.132.250) [AS3356] 8 ms 7 ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.66) [AS3356] 10 ms 5 ms 16 ms 8 ae-13-69.car3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.5) [AS3356] 67 ms 59 ms 58 ms 9 att-level3-oc192.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.150) [AS3356] 17 ms 127 ms 12 ms 10 tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.57) [] [MPLS: Label 31537 Exp 0] 80 ms 79 ms 79 ms 11 12.122.16.153 (12.122.16.153) [] [MPLS: Label 19 Exp 0] 76 ms 77 ms 77 ms 12 cr1.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.190) [] [MPLS: Label 1188 Exp 0] 77 ms 76 ms 77 ms 13 12.122.17.146 (12.122.17.146) [] [MPLS: Label 31051 Exp 0] 77 ms 78 ms 78 ms 14 tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.6) [] [MPLS: Label 31320 Exp 0] 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms 15 gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.74) [] [MPLS: Label 323 Exp 0] 72 ms 71 ms 71 ms 16 gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.253) [] 76 ms 76 ms 77 ms 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * - ferg *** END PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
A brief look at routeviews shows www.cisco.com (198.133.219.25) originating from AS109 (Cisco) and transiting via AS7132 (AT&T/SBC) and AS7018 (AT&T). Thus I suspect this is an issue with AS109 (Cisco) and not with their providers. Though, I do feel wrong using the plural "providers" in this case... -Benson
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Marcus H. Sachs Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:33 PM To: 'Paul Ferguson' Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Problems with either Cisco.com or AT&T?
Ditto. We've had a few folks contact the Internet Storm Center about this. First report came in at 2 pm ET.
Marc
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:17 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Problems with either Cisco.com or AT&T?
*** PGP SIGNATURE VERIFICATION *** *** Status: Good Signature from Invalid Key *** Alert: Please verify signer's key before trusting signature. *** Signer: Paul Ferguson <paul_ferguson@trendmicro.com> (0x63546533) *** Signed: 8/8/2007 2:17:21 PM *** Verified: 8/8/2007 2:31:04 PM *** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***
No idea -- maybe just a hiccup?
From my office in San Jose:
%traceroute www.cisco.com
Tracing route to www.cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops:
[snip]
7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms so-3-0-0.mpr2.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.30.173]
8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms above-att.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.13.50] 9 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.12.2] 10 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.74] 11 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.2.253] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * ^C
From MIT:
Tracing to: www.cisco.com
1 legacy26-0.default.csail.mit.edu (18.26.0.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 2 kalgan.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.245) [AS40] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 3 B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 4 EXTERNAL-RTR-1-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.18) [AS3] 1 ms 4 ms 2 ms 5 ge-6-23.car2.Boston1.Level3.net (4.79.2.1) [AS3356] 0 ms * 0 ms 6 * * ae-5-5.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.132.250) [AS3356] 8 ms 7 ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.66) [AS3356] 10 ms 5 ms 16 ms 8 ae-13-69.car3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.5) [AS3356] 67 ms 59 ms 58 ms 9 att-level3-oc192.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.150) [AS3356] 17 ms 127 ms 12 ms 10 tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.57) [] [MPLS: Label 31537 Exp 0] 80 ms 79 ms 79 ms 11 12.122.16.153 (12.122.16.153) [] [MPLS: Label 19 Exp 0] 76 ms 77 ms 77 ms 12 cr1.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.190) [] [MPLS: Label 1188 Exp 0] 77 ms 76 ms 77 ms 13 12.122.17.146 (12.122.17.146) [] [MPLS: Label 31051 Exp 0] 77 ms 78 ms 78 ms 14 tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.6) [] [MPLS: Label 31320 Exp 0] 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms 15 gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.74) [] [MPLS: Label 323 Exp 0] 72 ms 71 ms 71 ms 16 gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.253) [] 76 ms 76 ms 77 ms 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * *
- ferg
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Now that you have mentioned it I am having problems reaching Cisco from Sprint as well and Time Warner Telecom. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Ferguson <fergdawg@netzero.net> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 2:17:29 PM GMT-0500 Auto-Detected Subject: Problems with either Cisco.com or AT&T? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No idea -- maybe just a hiccup? - From my office in San Jose: %traceroute www.cisco.com Tracing route to www.cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops: [snip] 7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms so-3-0-0.mpr2.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.30.173] 8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms above-att.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.13.50] 9 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.12.2] 10 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.74] 11 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.2.253] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * ^C - From MIT: Tracing to: www.cisco.com 1 legacy26-0.default.csail.mit.edu (18.26.0.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 2 kalgan.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.245) [AS40] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 3 B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 4 EXTERNAL-RTR-1-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.18) [AS3] 1 ms 4 ms 2 ms 5 ge-6-23.car2.Boston1.Level3.net (4.79.2.1) [AS3356] 0 ms * 0 ms 6 * * ae-5-5.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.132.250) [AS3356] 8 ms 7 ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.66) [AS3356] 10 ms 5 ms 16 ms 8 ae-13-69.car3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.5) [AS3356] 67 ms 59 ms 58 ms 9 att-level3-oc192.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.150) [AS3356] 17 ms 127 ms 12 ms 10 tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.57) [] [MPLS: Label 31537 Exp 0] 80 ms 79 ms 79 ms 11 12.122.16.153 (12.122.16.153) [] [MPLS: Label 19 Exp 0] 76 ms 77 ms 77 ms 12 cr1.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.190) [] [MPLS: Label 1188 Exp 0] 77 ms 76 ms 77 ms 13 12.122.17.146 (12.122.17.146) [] [MPLS: Label 31051 Exp 0] 77 ms 78 ms 78 ms 14 tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.6) [] [MPLS: Label 31320 Exp 0] 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms 15 gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.74) [] [MPLS: Label 323 Exp 0] 72 ms 71 ms 71 ms 16 gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.253) [] 76 ms 76 ms 77 ms 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.2 (Build 2014) wj8DBQFGugixq1pz9mNUZTMRAnY3AKCIeE2oiRKl11ZRgsOLs/q6J5TyLwCgi/SQ mnTSn9TJY+yB2cjZSeKaulM= =DGbM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
I get the same thing in Atlanta. I can't pull up their site and it looks like my trace dies the same place as yours. braaen@brian-debian:~$ traceroute www.cisco.com traceroute to www.cisco.com (198.133.219.25), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 gw_alpha.america.net (69.60.176.65) 1.618 ms 1.499 ms 1.559 ms 2 69.60.176.21 (69.60.176.21) 9.625 ms 9.461 ms 9.439 ms 3 gwF20.Edelta.america.net (69.60.160.1) 9.260 ms 9.113 ms 9.392 ms 4 66.0.192.194 (66.0.192.194) 16.189 ms 9.219 ms 9.234 ms 5 suwC6.gig3-1-4.qualitytech.com (216.154.207.145) 13.064 ms 9.316 ms 10.029 ms 6 suw04-gig1-0-0.qualitytech.com (216.154.207.173) 41.053 ms 9.432 ms 9.315 ms 7 gig5-1.suwangaeq00w.xr.deltacom.net (66.35.174.125) 34.815 ms 9.871 ms 25.280 ms 8 pos5-0.atlngapk22w.cr.deltacom.net (66.35.174.101) 19.050 ms 40.288 ms 13.137 ms 9 pos1-0.brhmalwd6aw.cr.deltacom.net (66.35.174.13) 17.860 ms 15.823 ms 15.881 ms 10 12.117.136.41 (12.117.136.41) 22.890 ms 18.614 ms 19.742 ms 11 tbr2.attga.ip.att.net (12.123.20.14) 76.260 ms 75.531 ms 75.004 ms 12 tbr1.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.2.89) 70.993 ms 70.863 ms 71.373 ms 13 tbr1.la2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.50) 74.889 ms 75.098 ms 74.921 ms 14 gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.249) 73.098 ms 72.969 ms 72.849 ms 15 * * -- Brian Raaen Network Engineer braaen@zcorum.com On Wednesday 08 August 2007 14:17, Paul Ferguson wrote:
No idea -- maybe just a hiccup?
From my office in San Jose:
%traceroute www.cisco.com
Tracing route to www.cisco.com [198.133.219.25] over a maximum of 30 hops:
[snip]
7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms so-3-0-0.mpr2.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.30.173]
8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms above-att.sjc7.us.above.net [64.125.13.50] 9 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.12.2] 10 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.74] 11 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.2.253] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * ^C
From MIT:
Tracing to: www.cisco.com
1 legacy26-0.default.csail.mit.edu (18.26.0.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 2 kalgan.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.245) [AS40] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 3 B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) [AS3] 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms 4 EXTERNAL-RTR-1-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.18) [AS3] 1 ms 4 ms 2 ms 5 ge-6-23.car2.Boston1.Level3.net (4.79.2.1) [AS3356] 0 ms * 0 ms 6 * * ae-5-5.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.132.250) [AS3356] 8 ms 7 ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.66) [AS3356] 10 ms 5 ms 16 ms 8 ae-13-69.car3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.5) [AS3356] 67 ms 59 ms 58 ms 9 att-level3-oc192.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.150) [AS3356] 17 ms 127 ms 12 ms 10 tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.57) [] [MPLS: Label 31537 Exp 0] 80 ms 79 ms 79 ms 11 12.122.16.153 (12.122.16.153) [] [MPLS: Label 19 Exp 0] 76 ms 77 ms 77 ms 12 cr1.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.190) [] [MPLS: Label 1188 Exp 0] 77 ms 76 ms 77 ms 13 12.122.17.146 (12.122.17.146) [] [MPLS: Label 31051 Exp 0] 77 ms 78 ms 78 ms 14 tbr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.6) [] [MPLS: Label 31320 Exp 0] 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms 15 gbr5.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.74) [] [MPLS: Label 323 Exp 0] 72 ms 71 ms 71 ms 16 gar1.sj2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.253) [] 76 ms 76 ms 77 ms 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * *
- ferg
-- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
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No idea -- maybe just a hiccup?
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participants (10)
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Brian Raaen -
Bruce Pinsky -
David Coulson -
Elijah Savage -
J. Oquendo -
Koch, Christian -
Marcus H. Sachs -
Paul Ferguson -
Schliesser, Benson -
Wil Schultz