This reminds me of those daze when they did experiments with spiders. They dosed them with LSD and took pictures of the webs they wove afterwards. I've intentionally deleted the end-points. I also sent this to both Qwest and SPeakEasy over two weeks ago. These routes are persistent. Going out ---This starts in Livermore CA 2 spkez.gw.mhsc.net (216.27.184.225) 2.575 ms 2.707 ms 2.558 ms ---Gets to San Francisco on the first hop (looks like an overloaded router) 3 gw-081-176.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net (216.27.176.1) 24.758 ms 118.038 ms 27.967 ms ---Plays around on the InterNAP. 4 border3.fe5-3.speakeasy-9.sff.pnap.net (216.52.86.28) 20.485 ms 20.795 ms 21.185 ms 5 core4.fe0-0-bbnet1.sff.pnap.net (216.52.80.6) 22.027 ms 20.601 ms 21.605 ms ---Finally gets to QWest (used to be USworst ... may still be) but still hasn't left SF 6 sfo-01.qwest.net (208.46.207.53) 27.531 ms 25.920 ms 25.610 ms 7 sfo-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.18.13) 49.049 ms 25.583 ms 25.332 ms ---After playing around in SF, it finally makes it to San Jose (really, SJC). 8 sjo-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.5.121) 27.116 ms 27.924 ms 27.754 ms 9 sjo-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.22.2) 28.149 ms 60.099 ms 50.570 ms ---Then goes down to Los Angeles, for some sunshine. 10 lax-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.5.153) 34.183 ms 35.243 ms 34.637 ms 11 lax-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.19.38) 33.980 ms 40.761 ms 33.618 ms ---Where it finally crosses over to AboveNet 12 sjc2-lax1-oc12.sjc2.above.net (208.184.102.145) 51.917 ms 45.190 ms 47.872 ms 13 sjc2-lax1-oc48.sjc2.above.net (208.185.156.125) 49.168 ms 52.816 ms 62.538 ms ---and heads back to San Jose 14 core5-sjc2-oc48.sjc1.above.net (216.200.0.177) 48.298 ms 80.466 ms 43.326 ms 15 main2-core5-oc12.sjc1.above.net (209.133.31.190) 44.550 ms 64.522 ms 47.930 ms Coming back seems to be much more intelligent (less drifty); 3 main3-main4-fe.sjc1.above.net (209.249.192.4) 7.212 ms 5.777 ms 7.242 ms 4 core1-main1-oc12.sjc1.above.net (208.185.175.245) 7.237 ms 6.944 ms 7.232 ms 5 sl-gw8-sj-0-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.192.129) 7.231 ms 6.973 ms 7.233 ms 6 sl-bb21-sj-13-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.113) 7.230 ms 6.973 ms 7.245 ms 7 sl-gw12-sj-10-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.142) 7.227 ms 6.926 ms 7.241 ms 8 sl-internap-40-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.217.18) 18.254 ms 17.886 ms 18.251 ms 9 border4.ge2-0-bbnet1.sff.pnap.net (216.52.80.9) 18.170 ms 17.905 ms 21.890 ms 10 spk-1-sfo.dsl-isp.net (216.52.86.1) 29.110 ms 21.618 ms 32.778 ms 11 dsl027-176-139.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net (216.27.176.139) 40.001 ms 39.886 ms 40.082 ms Note that these two are the same box. spkez.gw.mhsc.net (216.27.184.225) dsl027-176-139.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net (216.27.176.139)
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:11:01PM -0700, Roeland Meyer wrote:
---Plays around on the InterNAP. 4 border3.fe5-3.speakeasy-9.sff.pnap.net (216.52.86.28) 20.485 ms 20.795 ms 21.185 ms 5 core4.fe0-0-bbnet1.sff.pnap.net (216.52.80.6) 22.027 ms 20.601 ms 21.605 ms
The thing about InterNAP's transit-only model is this: The (claimed) upside: "no congested peering points!" The downside: no peering points whatsoever. The advantages of going with peering locally or at least going with a regional provider who does or at least has a large number of customers (perhaps in addition to transit from the usual suspects) is that you gain local reachability you will never see otherwise; if you're one hop away from someone's transit network, odds are you're being backhauled into the figurative middle of nowhere and your data still has to go to an interconnection point elsewhere. I wouldn't bother talking to either Speakeasy or Qwest; Speakeasy looks like they're punting packets the only way they can, to InterNAP, who forwards them on to Qwest. You have been bitten by the Network Without Peer (tm). If you talk to Speakeasy again, see if you can sell them transit. I'd be interested to know why they chose InterNAP -- DSL is typically inbound traffic, which is something the ASsimilator has very little control over. It seems odd to choose a service designed for hosters, unless they're getting a really sweet deal. And hey, at least it's staying within the same state. I have seen lots of situations where traffic going across the street will cross the country at least once to get there. Anyone who's ever lived in a rural market has to deal with much, much worse on a daily basis. --msa
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