Self destruction in open source systems (was Re: Linux: concerns over systemd [OT])
On 10/22/2014 06:01, Randy Bush wrote:
Which leads me to ask - those of you running server farms - what distros are popular these days, for server-side operations? been running bsd forever. but moving to debian and ganeti, as bsd does not host virtualization. Simply not true; http://bhyve.org/ It is a bit immature compared to Xen+Ganeti or something like that.
apologies. i thought we were talking about production systems. my mistake.
This may take us far enough away from BGP and prefix lengths to draw moderator fire, but it is a topic I would like to pursue somewhere. What is it about seems to mandate that they develop a fatal rot from the inside out? I don't have anything to add to the xxxxxX OSes (they Were Not Allowed when I was an active admin), but I have of late been grappling with what to do about replacing Firefox and Thunderbird in the four machines I have left in my world. Early on I developed a fondness for Mosaic as a simple get-the-job done tool to add to elm and news to get the work done. Netscape did a nice integration and I went with that until it went away. Now I have Thunderbird and Firefox--from people who are committed to the notion that if it works, it must be replaced. If people like it, it must be redesigned. If it is stable, it must be updated. If there is a useless, senseless "feature" somewhere in the world, these products must be revised to make that feature the focus. -- The unique Characteristics of System Administrators: The fact that they are infallible; and, The fact that they learn from their mistakes. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Larry Sheldon <larrysheldon@cox.net> wrote:
Now I have Thunderbird and Firefox--from people who are committed to the notion that if it works, it must be replaced. If people like it, it must be redesigned. If it is stable, it must be updated. If there is a useless, senseless "feature" somewhere in the world, these products must be revised to make that feature the focus.
And where is my new 1967 VW Microbus? That's all you need if you compile it with --add-heater-fan. So I had to upgrade to a 1998 Volvo V70 wagon. Don't know where I'm going to get a new one when this one wears out. Damn kids, GET OFF MY LAWN! I actually feel with your there, Larry. I really like the *nixes because of the great app store with things like ls, grep, sed, cc and ssh. It's also why for most things I still use one of the BSDs. (Should we call /usr/ports an app store now?) -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Larry Sheldon <larrysheldon@cox.net> wrote:
Now I have Thunderbird and Firefox--from people who are committed to the notion that if it works, it must be replaced. If people like it, it must be redesigned. If it is stable, it must be updated. If there is a useless, senseless "feature" somewhere in the world, these products must be revised to make that feature the focus.
And where is my new 1967 VW Microbus? That's all you need if you compile it with --add-heater-fan. So I had to upgrade to a 1998 Volvo V70 wagon. Don't know where I'm going to get a new one when this one wears out.
Well hey, nobody's made a good 4WD station wagon since Toyota stopped making them. At one point it seemed like every 3rd person in the BBN parking lot had one, and we all drove them into the ground for lack of a replacement. Sigh... -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
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