it seems that G root ops are blocking dns ops mail servers. the more i think about that the sicker i think some folk out there are. but anyway, anyone else seeing this kind of problem with g root? http://dnsviz.net/d/gn/dnssec/ whines gn/DS (alg 8, id 38486): No response was received until the UDP payload size was decreased, indicating that the server might be attempting to send a payload that exceeds the path maximum transmission unit (PMTU) size. (2001:500:12::d0d, UDP_0_EDNS0_32768_4096) randy