RE: Quote from Kashpureff / Re: question about per. hack
Please, please, take this bilge off of the NANOG list. This is not the place for techno-politico-socio-net-policy discussions. Work it out in the undergraduate lounge, and get back to us with the answer. Tom -- Tom Walton twalton@twalton.com On Tuesday, July 22, 1997 5:27 PM, Ted Timmons [SMTP:tedder@abcompsvc.com] wrote:
At 05:07 PM 7/22/97 -0400, Christopher Masto wrote:
Now _that's_ not right at all. I think the excuse of charging a fee for something to discourage its use is ridiculous. Where exactly are these AOLers going to get primary and secondary name service? Web servers? Mail forwarders?
With the latest free email, web pages, etc (juno, hotmail, geocities), it wouldn't take too long for someone to come up with free DNS, MXing, etc..
How would _you_ discourage registration? By not explaining it very well? That hasn't kept the idiots away from unix, Perl, etc... -- -=TED=- O- JAPH tedt@colubs.com - work tedder@abcompsvc.com - home
Link Rot: The process by which links on a web page become as obsolete as the sites they're connected to change location or die.
On Tue, Jul 22, 1997 at 06:19:16PM -0400, Tom Walton wrote:
Work it out in the undergraduate lounge, and get back to us with the answer.
Ok. I've had it. Perhaps the thread has drifted off topic. But get off your goddamned high horse and save us the snotty rejoinders, all right? And this goes for _all_ y'all. Cheers, -- jr 'who died and left _you_ a net.god?' a -- Jay R. Ashworth High Technology Systems Consulting Ashworth Designer Linux: Where Do You Want To Fly Today? & Associates ka1fjx/4 Crack. It does a body good. +1 813 790 7592 jra@baylink.com http://rc5.distributed.net NIC: jra3
NANOG list maintainers: Please consider this a formal request to moderate this list. The signal/noise ratio is horrible as it is, and continuing to ignore off-topic posts, such as the thread on DNS policy, is compounding the issue. I would appreciate a response on this issue asap. Otherwise, I would fully expect to see an exodus of list participants who can no longer tolerate noise. - paul At 07:40 PM 07/22/97 -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Perhaps the thread has drifted off topic. But get off your goddamned high horse and save us the snotty rejoinders, all right?
Paul Ferguson wrote:
NANOG list maintainers:
Please consider this a formal request to moderate this list.
The signal/noise ratio is horrible as it is, and continuing to ignore off-topic posts, such as the thread on DNS policy, is compounding the issue.
I would appreciate a response on this issue asap.
Otherwise, I would fully expect to see an exodus of list participants who can no longer tolerate noise.
- paul
At 07:40 PM 07/22/97 -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Perhaps the thread has drifted off topic. But get off your goddamned high horse and save us the snotty rejoinders, all right?
Thank you for the intervention Paul. -------- Craig
It *might* help if people settled down and see if the pointers to other appropriate lists are followed or not. We just gave them an hour or two ago. -george
Granted. Give them another 24 hours. Then another list will surface which *is* moderated. - paul At 06:08 PM 07/22/97 -0700, George Herbert wrote:
It *might* help if people settled down and see if the pointers to other appropriate lists are followed or not. We just gave them an hour or two ago.
-george
On Tue, Jul 22, 1997 at 08:48:47PM -0400, Craig La Vallee wrote:
Paul Ferguson wrote:
NANOG list maintainers: Please consider this a formal request to moderate this list. The signal/noise ratio is horrible as it is, and continuing to ignore off-topic posts, such as the thread on DNS policy, is compounding the issue. I would appreciate a response on this issue asap. Otherwise, I would fully expect to see an exodus of list participants who can no longer tolerate noise.
At 07:40 PM 07/22/97 -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Perhaps the thread has drifted off topic. But get off your goddamned high horse and save us the snotty rejoinders, all right?
Thank you for the intervention Paul.
Gentlemen: I didn't start the thread everyone is complaining about. But, in absence of a formal announcement of what is and is not on-topic on this mailing list, _which I still haven't seen, after 4 explicit requests_, I completely agree: a solution needs to be found. The high-handedness with which the conversations have been handled of late is, however not conducive to finding a solution, and will ultimately cause those with valid topics to discus-- including the opertaional aspects of DNS spoofing, and how to avoid it... _and_ how to fix it, which is surely an operational topic, and is not a conversation with a short term focus by nature--to decide that the NANOG mailing list is a useless old-boy network, and replace it with something that suits the needs of those individuals. If you don't like the signal to noise ratio, by all means: DEFINE SIGNAL. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth High Technology Systems Consulting Ashworth Designer Linux: Where Do You Want To Fly Today? & Associates ka1fjx/4 Crack. It does a body good. +1 813 790 7592 jra@baylink.com http://rc5.distributed.net NIC: jra3
On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
I didn't start the thread everyone is complaining about. But, in
No one cares.
absence of a formal announcement of what is and is not on-topic on this mailing list, _which I still haven't seen, after 4 explicit requests_,
http://www.nanog.org/aup.html pbd -- Going to church does not make a person religious, nor does going to school make a person educated, any more than going to a garage makes a person a car.
On Wed, Jul 23, 1997 at 03:02:31AM -0400, Bradley Dunn wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
I didn't start the thread everyone is complaining about. But, in
No one cares.
Incredibly polite and mature, Mr. Dunn.
absence of a formal announcement of what is and is not on-topic on this mailing list, _which I still haven't seen, after 4 explicit requests_,
On Wed, Jul 23, 1997 at 12:16:06AM -0700, Dean Gaudet wrote:
If you haven't seen the aup then you haven't been on NANOG long enough, and if that's the case then you certainly shouldn't be pontificating on what is or is not on topic.
Visit www.nanog.org. I'm sure you'll find the AUP there.
My, _my_, but nobody is listening this week. I've read the AUP and the charter. Many times. Every time someone mentions them, in fact; to see if perhaps they've changed. Anyone who thinks that the AUP specifically addresses any of the threads it's been mentioned to quash in the last 14 days apparently speaks a different version of English than I do. I asked for clarification, none was forthcoming. I give up. Have fun, boys. Oh, and Mr. Gaudet? I've been in, on, and around the net for about 13 years now. I'll keep my own counsel on what opinions to have, and when and where to express them. It seems to have worked pretty well most of those 13 years. -- Jay R. Ashworth High Technology Systems Consulting Ashworth Designer Linux: Where Do You Want To Fly Today? & Associates ka1fjx/4 Crack. It does a body good. +1 813 790 7592 jra@baylink.com http://rc5.distributed.net NIC: jra3
Please see rule numbers 4 and 6 of the AUP at <http://www.nanog.org/aup.html>. You will note that my message to you was in private email and was in no way CC'd to NANOG. You will also note that I in no way said you were new to the net, I just inferred you are new to NANOG. Your statements are contradictory, if you read [the aup] "every time someone mentions them" then you do not need to ask its location; which is what prompted me to send you private email in the first place. Please spare the rest of the list and respect the reply-to on this message. Dean On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 1997 at 03:02:31AM -0400, Bradley Dunn wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
I didn't start the thread everyone is complaining about. But, in
No one cares.
Incredibly polite and mature, Mr. Dunn.
absence of a formal announcement of what is and is not on-topic on this mailing list, _which I still haven't seen, after 4 explicit requests_,
On Wed, Jul 23, 1997 at 12:16:06AM -0700, Dean Gaudet wrote:
If you haven't seen the aup then you haven't been on NANOG long enough, and if that's the case then you certainly shouldn't be pontificating on what is or is not on topic.
Visit www.nanog.org. I'm sure you'll find the AUP there.
My, _my_, but nobody is listening this week.
I've read the AUP and the charter.
Many times.
Every time someone mentions them, in fact; to see if perhaps they've changed.
Anyone who thinks that the AUP specifically addresses any of the threads it's been mentioned to quash in the last 14 days apparently speaks a different version of English than I do.
I asked for clarification, none was forthcoming.
I give up. Have fun, boys.
Oh, and Mr. Gaudet? I've been in, on, and around the net for about 13 years now. I'll keep my own counsel on what opinions to have, and when and where to express them. It seems to have worked pretty well most of those 13 years. -- Jay R. Ashworth High Technology Systems Consulting Ashworth Designer Linux: Where Do You Want To Fly Today? & Associates ka1fjx/4 Crack. It does a body good. +1 813 790 7592 jra@baylink.com http://rc5.distributed.net NIC: jra3
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