RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
Look in the O'Reilly "DNS and BIND" book, 3rd ed., page 217. Also, RFC2317. However, I have not yet found a single upstream that even knows how to do it, let alone offers this as a service. They are also not happy that I won't sign control of my domains over to them and that I run my own zone servers. Gee, why don't I hand over my bank accounts while I'm at it? BTW, if you know an ISP that does, I want their contact number. I'm not trying to win any arguments here. If I lose then I win, because I will have found a decent vendor. Also, with my monthly recurring cash on the line, don't you think I've been looking? Also, SpeakEasy seems to not have heard about SWiP.
-----Original Message----- From: Curtis Maurand [mailto:curtis@lamere.net] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:48 AM
I don't remember being able to delegate anything less than a /24 for reverse purposes. Correct me if I'm wrong. You can't swip less than a /24, but you can assign it.
On Mon, 14 May 2001, John Murphy wrote:
<quote> Roeland Meyer, "None of the DSL ISPs can do larger than /27 anymore, even when they're ILECs. Anything less than a /24 can't be SWIP'd..." </quote>
I really couldn't care less about SpeakEasy. I just didn't feel like watching yet another of your blatantly inaccurate blanket statements slide by. Case in point, *both* of those statements above are inaccurate.
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From: Roeland Meyer To: John Murphy;nanog@nanog.org Date: 5/14/01 5:06 AM Subject: RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
From: John Murphy [mailto:nanog@mail.murfnet.com] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:07 PM
I'm sorry Roeland, but your statement about SWIP'ing anything less than a /24 is just inaccurate. We SWIP /29s and /30s daily, for both our Frame and our DSL customers.
Tell it to SpeakEasy.
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As I recall, ARIN doesn't let you change DNS authority information in blocks larger than /24. They send the SWiP template back to you. The only way to really give reverse authority for those is to use cname records in the authoritve server's zone and point them to another in-addr zone for the /26 or /27 or whatever, then pull that smaller zone from the end-user's name server. My company knows how to do it, it's just that DSL customers don't give us enough money to spend the time doing it. Typing out 32 cname records, setting up a new zone, and then dealing with the end user when they can't figure out how to set up a master record that allows us to pull the zones is just way too time consuming for the limited profit margin of a DSL line. Hunter Pine Vice President, Network Operations hunter@compuhelp.com CompuHelp Technologies 11 Lispenard Street New York, NY 10013 212-995-2955 x21 http://www.compuhelp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roeland Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com> To: "'Curtis Maurand'" <curtis@lamere.net>; "John Murphy" <nanog@mail.murfnet.com> Cc: "Roeland Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
Look in the O'Reilly "DNS and BIND" book, 3rd ed., page 217. Also,
RFC2317.
However, I have not yet found a single upstream that even knows how to do it, let alone offers this as a service. They are also not happy that I
won't
sign control of my domains over to them and that I run my own zone servers. Gee, why don't I hand over my bank accounts while I'm at it?
BTW, if you know an ISP that does, I want their contact number. I'm not trying to win any arguments here. If I lose then I win, because I will have found a decent vendor. Also, with my monthly recurring cash on the line, don't you think I've been looking? Also, SpeakEasy seems to not have heard about SWiP.
-----Original Message----- From: Curtis Maurand [mailto:curtis@lamere.net] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:48 AM
I don't remember being able to delegate anything less than a /24 for reverse purposes. Correct me if I'm wrong. You can't swip less than a /24, but you can assign it.
On Mon, 14 May 2001, John Murphy wrote:
<quote> Roeland Meyer, "None of the DSL ISPs can do larger than /27 anymore, even when they're ILECs. Anything less than a /24 can't be SWIP'd..." </quote>
I really couldn't care less about SpeakEasy. I just didn't feel like watching yet another of your blatantly inaccurate blanket statements slide by. Case in point, *both* of those statements above are inaccurate.
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From: Roeland Meyer To: John Murphy;nanog@nanog.org Date: 5/14/01 5:06 AM Subject: RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
From: John Murphy [mailto:nanog@mail.murfnet.com] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:07 PM
I'm sorry Roeland, but your statement about SWIP'ing anything less than a /24 is just inaccurate. We SWIP /29s and /30s daily, for both our Frame and our DSL customers.
Tell it to SpeakEasy.
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-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Roeland Meyer Sent: May 14, 2001 1:42 PM To: 'Curtis Maurand'; John Murphy Cc: Roeland Meyer; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
However, I have not yet found a single upstream that even knows how to do it, let alone offers this as a service. They are also not happy that I won't sign control of my domains over to them and that I run my own zone servers.
It looks to _me_ (as it does to about 95% of the people on this mailing list, I'm sure) like you're trying to use something totally inadequate for your purposes. If you're using the standard "small business trying to get a connection for web browsing and email" package that's aimed at your average non-computer-related small business (eg: a small law or accounting firm), then you shouldn't be surprised that they want to be the technical contact and authoritative DNS for your domains, because that's part of their offering. And, I might add, it's a very good thing they offer that, because your average small business probably doesn't have a clue what DNS is.
BTW, if you know an ISP that does, I want their contact number. I'm not trying to win any arguments here. If I lose then I win, because I will have found a decent vendor. Also, with my monthly recurring cash on the line, don't you think I've been looking? Also, SpeakEasy seems to not have heard about SWiP.
As someone posted before (but you probably didn't read): vivienm@amethyst:~$ host www.mhsc.com www.mhsc.com is a nickname for vweb1.mhsc.com vweb1.mhsc.com has address 216.27.184.250 vivienm@amethyst:~$ whois -a 216.27.184.250 Speakeasy Network (NETBLK-SPEAKEASY-4) SPEAKEASY-4 216.27.128.0 - 216.27.191.255 Black, Alex (NETBLK-SPEK-RMEYER-0) SPEK-RMEYER-0 216.27.184.224 - 216.27.184.255 To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx is the handle, shown in parenthesis following the name, which comes first. The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's. Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information. vivienm@amethyst:~$ whois -a \!NETBLK-SPEK-RMEYER-0 Black, Alex (NETBLK-SPEK-RMEYER-0) 440 Mission Court Fremont, CA 94539 US Netname: SPEK-RMEYER-0 Netblock: 216.27.184.224 - 216.27.184.255 Coordinator: Stollar, Andreas (AS3414-ARIN) abuse@speakeasy.net +1-206-728-9770 (FAX) (206)728-1500 Record last updated on 13-Mar-2001. Database last updated on 12-May-2001 22:47:54 EDT. The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's. Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information. Now, I realize your name isn't Alex Black (unless you have multiple personalities), but it sure looks to me like SpeakEasy knows how to SWIP (and the SPEK-RMEYER-0 name suggests they were trying to SWIP it to you). Vivien -- Vivien M. vivienm@dyndns.org Assistant System Administrator Dynamic DNS Network Services http://www.dyndns.org/
Look in the O'Reilly "DNS and BIND" book, 3rd ed., page 217. Also, RFC2317.
Los Nettos (AS 226) did do this.
BTW, if you know an ISP that does, I want their contact number. I'm not trying to win any arguments here. If I lose then I win, because I will have found a decent vendor. Also, with my monthly recurring cash on the line, don't you think I've been looking? Also, SpeakEasy seems to not have heard about SWiP.
See also, rWhois. -- bill
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote:
Look in the O'Reilly "DNS and BIND" book, 3rd ed., page 217. Also, RFC2317.
However, I have not yet found a single upstream that even knows how to do it, let alone offers this as a service. They are also not happy that I won't sign control of my domains over to them and that I run my own zone servers. Gee, why don't I hand over my bank accounts while I'm at it?
BTW, if you know an ISP that does, I want their contact number. I'm not trying to win any arguments here. If I lose then I win, because I will have found a decent vendor. Also, with my monthly recurring cash on the line, don't you think I've been looking? Also, SpeakEasy seems to not have heard about SWiP.
Roeland, We not only know how to do it but actually have it implemented and provide this service to clients. It's NOT that difficult (although setting up IRRd was considerably more simple). So, if you're serious about services, you know how to contact me. If not, please stop whining on NANOG. --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
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