Re: Automatic shutdown of infected network connections
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 10:55:47AM -0400, bscott@ntisys.com wrote:
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, at 10:41am, nanog@missnglnk.com wrote:
And if you just bought a new system, it should have the big update (SP2) installed on the machine already ...
Service Pack 2 for Windows XP has not been released yet.
Weird, when I go to Add/Remove programs, I see "(SP2)" next to the hotfixes I applied, from that I assumed SP2 was out or something.
As of 1 Sep 2003, there are 21 post-SP1 security-related hotfixes posted for Windows XP. The total download size is quite large, if you are on a 56 kilobit modem.
Most of my updates were done on this same modem, and if I recall correctly, most of them varied in size from 300KB to 2MB. Then again, I haven't done a fresh XP install ever since I installed it on this laptop so I don't know how big the initial lump is right now.
... unless you're dealing with an incompetent PC manufacturer/reseller/whatever that likes to cut corners ...
Like, say, most of them?
Eek. :( Hate to rehash the responsibility debate...but shouldn't the manufacturers/whatever slap the latest service packs on their products that they're selling? If GM puts out a recall on their vehicles for a GE lamp. Yeah, I'm sure GE takes the blame and a hit to their stock, but the dealers go to GM (the aggregator) for the replacement and fix the vehicles they have on the lot before another one gets sold, right? Subtract one level of hierarchy (the dealer, or you could leave it in, since most system builders are rolling out their own stores...Apple, Dell, Gateway, etc.) and you have the common relationship of Microsoft-OEM-End User. Shouldn't the OEM be responsible for any product coming off their shelf that's been "recalled" up until the point of the "recall"?
Omachonu Ogali wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 10:55:47AM -0400, bscott@ntisys.com wrote:
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, at 10:41am, nanog@missnglnk.com wrote:
And if you just bought a new system, it should have the big update (SP2) installed on the machine already ...
Service Pack 2 for Windows XP has not been released yet.
Weird, when I go to Add/Remove programs, I see "(SP2)" next to the hotfixes I applied, from that I assumed SP2 was out or something.
Those are "pre SP2" updates, which means they'll be integrated into Service Pack 2. Chris -- Chris Horry "Don't submit to stupid rules, zerbey@wibble.co.uk Be yourself and not a fool. PGP: DSA/2B4C654E Don't accept average habits, Amateur Radio: KG4TSM Open your heart and push the limits."
At 02:21 PM 03/09/2003 -0400, Omachonu Ogali wrote:
Eek. :(
Hate to rehash the responsibility debate...but shouldn't the manufacturers/whatever slap the latest service packs on their products that they're selling?
That would add cost. You either eat that cost or pass it on to the consumer. As price is the number one criteria for the mass market I am sure vendors are shy about raising prices and equally shy about eating into meager profits
If GM puts out a recall on their vehicles for a GE lamp.
You know its not that simple.... Changing a light bulb does not have the same potentially unforeseen and unintended consequences of installing 56MB of new code. It WILL break some things. Vendor A laptop price = $x Vendor B laptop price = $x+ $20 A-Laptop == B-Laptop Given the choice between the two where one has all the service packs installed and the other for $20 less does not.... Sad to say most will take the one for $20 less as the other is "ripping me off!" Most consumers dont have a hope in hell sometimes of understanding value in the tech world and instead fixate totally on price. ---Mike
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