I know this isn't quote North American, but does anyone know what major exchange points exist in Asia? The largest one I've found so far is JPIX, which seems to move a fair amount of traffic (http://www.jpix.co.jp/en/techncal/traffic.html). Any other major ones? -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
Hi Richard, http://www.ep.net/naps_ap.html
I know this isn't quote North American, but does anyone know what major exchange points exist in Asia? The largest one I've found so far is JPIX, which seems to move a fair amount of traffic (http://www.jpix.co.jp/en/techncal/traffic.html). Any other major ones?
-- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 12:59:12PM -0400, Dave Curado wrote:
Hi Richard,
I was looking for more along the lines of opinions on which exchange points are significant, without having to go through that entire list looking for the english translations and trying to find traffic stats. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
I was looking for more along the lines of opinions on which exchange points are significant, without having to go through that entire list looking for the english translations and trying to find traffic stats.
Ah. Sorry. HKIX doesn't push the most traffic, but they have been around for a long time, and the list of providers there is long. HTH. Dave C.
IXP in Asia are nation oriented. It is a mistake to think that an IXP in one country will give you access to other countries with have oceans in-between them. Connectivity between the countries are usually through the big global transist providers or bi-lateral AP-Mesh peering technique (private peering over an ocean which takes in oceanic circuit prices). So pick the country, then find the IXP in that country that would give you the best national coverage. All the IXPs in Asia are on the http://www.ep.net/naps_ap.html list. One thing you will note is that the big global transit providers show up in at least one IXP per country.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Richard A Steenbergen Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:07 AM To: Dave Curado Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Asian exchange points
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 12:59:12PM -0400, Dave Curado wrote:
Hi Richard,
I was looking for more along the lines of opinions on which exchange points are significant, without having to go through that entire list looking for the english translations and trying to find traffic stats.
-- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
Richard, If you don't have any luck elsewhere, a good source of info., especially for South Asia, could be: Stuart Browne <stu@skytiger.net> He usually monitors the list <isp-satellites@isp-satellites.com> --Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard A Steenbergen" <ras@e-gerbil.net> To: "Dave Curado" <davec@weezel.net> Cc: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:06 AM Subject: Re: Asian exchange points
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 12:59:12PM -0400, Dave Curado wrote:
Hi Richard,
I was looking for more along the lines of opinions on which exchange points are significant, without having to go through that entire list looking for the english translations and trying to find traffic stats.
-- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
Hi, Besides JPIX, I can only think of HKIX as being a major exchange point but it is really very much for in-country peering purposes. Here in Singapore, there is an initiative to start a neutral one called SOX and it is very much in its infancy. Everything can be found on the webpage: http://www.ep.net/naps_ap.html But a word of caution - some of them are not really exchange points but actually more like "higher tiered" service providers providing transit. Jake Singapore
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Richard A Steenbergen Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:44 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Asian exchange points
I know this isn't quote North American, but does anyone know what major exchange points exist in Asia? The largest one I've found so far is JPIX, which seems to move a fair amount of traffic (http://www.jpix.co.jp/en/techncal/traffic.html). Any other major ones?
-- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
Richard, There are several exchange points, but their functions tend to be slightly different from what is understood in the US. IXes such as SOX (Singapore), HKIX (Hong Kong), JPIX & NSP-IXP2 (Japan) and KIX & KINX (Korea) tend to be the more oft quoted IXes in Asia and are familiar in design and function. The others are either very much in-country exchanges offering neutral traffic exchange, or being run by one operator as a for profit transit service provider. (Consider in the latter cases the use of the word exchange as a "marketing" term... ;-) As others have pointed out, www.ep.net has the list of all the known ones. Hope this helps. philip -- At 12:43 11/05/2002 -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
I know this isn't quote North American, but does anyone know what major exchange points exist in Asia? The largest one I've found so far is JPIX, which seems to move a fair amount of traffic (http://www.jpix.co.jp/en/techncal/traffic.html). Any other major ones?
-- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
> There are several exchange points, but their functions tend to be slightly > different from what is understood in the US. IXes such as SOX (Singapore), > HKIX (Hong Kong), JPIX & NSP-IXP2 (Japan) and KIX & KINX (Korea) tend to be > the more oft quoted IXes in Asia and are familiar in design and function. Yeah, what Phil said. Note that HKIX is the longest-established of those, although no longer by any means the largest. KIX/KINX carry the greatest volume of traffic by far, but it's almost exclusively local intra-Korean traffic. JPIX is, as you note, probably your first choice if you're going to pick only one exchange, you're coming in from outside the region, and you have to pick today. That choice is much harder in Asia right now than in north America or Europe, where the choices are obvious. An even tougher question is what to do for a second exchange in Asia. These questions are being addressed though... APIA is sponsoring a meeting in association with the next APNIC meeting, exclusively on this topic, where Phil and I and Bill Manning and other folks will be trying to help folks within the region come to some consensus. > As others have pointed out, www.ep.net has the list of all the known ones. Bill, Antony, and I consolidated our three lists into one, which is at http://www.pch.net/documents/data/exchange-points/ -Bill
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