Yep. There's plenty of fiber between the two buildings, so we may go that route. Anyone know if there's any easy way to limit bandwidth on the PA-POS-OC3 adapters? Sounds like another job for rate limiting to me... = TC -----Original Message----- From: David Lesher [mailto:wb8foz@nrk.com] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:56 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Bandwidth Control Question Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
Roy wrote:
Why waste a T3 port. Run ethernet if they are that close. Don't overlook the benefit of using the old thin-net for 200m.
I'd be cautious about metal between buildings, but Ethernet on fiber might make sense.
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Thus spake "Claydon, Tom" <Tom.Claydon@DobsonTelco.net>
Yep. There's plenty of fiber between the two buildings, so we may go that route. Anyone know if there's any easy way to limit bandwidth on the PA-POS-OC3 adapters?
PA-POS-OC3MM $6000/card $38.71/Mbit PA-FE-FX $3200/card $32.00/Mbit PA-2FE-FX $5000/card $25.00/Mbit Why muck with SONET unless necessary?
Sounds like another job for rate limiting to me...
Yes. ! policy-map 6Mb-customer class class-default police 6144 ! interface foo service-policy input 6Mb-customer service-policy output 6Mb-customer ! S Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Randy Bush wrote:
PA-2FE-FX $5000/card $25.00/Mbit
$2,000 on ebay
And for the 7500s, you can get POSIP full cards for $250-$1000 depending on fiber type, also from ebay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis *jlewis@lewis.org*| I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
Media converters are much cheaper than specialized FX cards like these. A 10Mbps converters are just $99 each and 100Mbps is $150. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Stephen Sprunk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:13 AM To: Claydon, Tom Cc: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: Re: Bandwidth Control Question Thus spake "Claydon, Tom" <Tom.Claydon@DobsonTelco.net>
Yep. There's plenty of fiber between the two buildings, so we may go that route. Anyone know if there's any easy way to limit bandwidth on the PA-POS-OC3 adapters?
PA-POS-OC3MM $6000/card $38.71/Mbit PA-FE-FX $3200/card $32.00/Mbit PA-2FE-FX $5000/card $25.00/Mbit Why muck with SONET unless necessary?
Sounds like another job for rate limiting to me...
Yes. ! policy-map 6Mb-customer class class-default police 6144 ! interface foo service-policy input 6Mb-customer service-policy output 6Mb-customer ! S Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Roy wrote:
Media converters are much cheaper than specialized FX cards like these. A 10Mbps converters are just $99 each and 100Mbps is $150.
Yes, but you need external power for these and they aren't monitorable/configurable from any interface. Thus if one goes down and you can't physically see it you have no idea where the problem is until someone gets onsite. bye, ken emery
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Stephen Sprunk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:13 AM To: Claydon, Tom Cc: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: Re: Bandwidth Control Question
Thus spake "Claydon, Tom" <Tom.Claydon@DobsonTelco.net>
Yep. There's plenty of fiber between the two buildings, so we may go that route. Anyone know if there's any easy way to limit bandwidth on the PA-POS-OC3 adapters?
PA-POS-OC3MM $6000/card $38.71/Mbit PA-FE-FX $3200/card $32.00/Mbit PA-2FE-FX $5000/card $25.00/Mbit
Why muck with SONET unless necessary?
Sounds like another job for rate limiting to me...
Yes.
! policy-map 6Mb-customer class class-default police 6144 ! interface foo service-policy input 6Mb-customer service-policy output 6Mb-customer !
S
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, ken emery wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Roy wrote:
Media converters are much cheaper than specialized FX cards like these. A 10Mbps converters are just $99 each and 100Mbps is $150.
Yes, but you need external power for these and they aren't monitorable/configurable from any interface. Thus if one goes down and you can't physically see it you have no idea where the problem is until someone gets onsite.
This is true of any physical fault, if your cable stops working you still have to go and physically take a look... Steve
bye, ken emery
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Stephen Sprunk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:13 AM To: Claydon, Tom Cc: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: Re: Bandwidth Control Question
Thus spake "Claydon, Tom" <Tom.Claydon@DobsonTelco.net>
Yep. There's plenty of fiber between the two buildings, so we may go that route. Anyone know if there's any easy way to limit bandwidth on the PA-POS-OC3 adapters?
PA-POS-OC3MM $6000/card $38.71/Mbit PA-FE-FX $3200/card $32.00/Mbit PA-2FE-FX $5000/card $25.00/Mbit
Why muck with SONET unless necessary?
Sounds like another job for rate limiting to me...
Yes.
! policy-map 6Mb-customer class class-default police 6144 ! interface foo service-policy input 6Mb-customer service-policy output 6Mb-customer !
S
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, ken emery wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Roy wrote:
Media converters are much cheaper than specialized FX cards like these. A 10Mbps converters are just $99 each and 100Mbps is $150.
Yes, but you need external power for these and they aren't monitorable/configurable from any interface. Thus if one goes down and you can't physically see it you have no idea where the problem is until someone gets onsite.
This is true of any physical fault, if your cable stops working you still have to go and physically take a look...
But with something that is remotely monitorable (like a router) and that is multiply connected the odds are alot higher that you will be able to diagnose the problem. Also if the interface is part of the router there is no extra cabling power needed. This is a big plus IMHO. bye, ken emery
bye, ken emery
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Stephen Sprunk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:13 AM To: Claydon, Tom Cc: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: Re: Bandwidth Control Question
Thus spake "Claydon, Tom" <Tom.Claydon@DobsonTelco.net>
Yep. There's plenty of fiber between the two buildings, so we may go that route. Anyone know if there's any easy way to limit bandwidth on the PA-POS-OC3 adapters?
PA-POS-OC3MM $6000/card $38.71/Mbit PA-FE-FX $3200/card $32.00/Mbit PA-2FE-FX $5000/card $25.00/Mbit
Why muck with SONET unless necessary?
Sounds like another job for rate limiting to me...
Yes.
! policy-map 6Mb-customer class class-default police 6144 ! interface foo service-policy input 6Mb-customer service-policy output 6Mb-customer !
S
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
-----Original Message----- Media converters are much cheaper than specialized FX cards like these. A 10Mbps converters are just $99 each and 100Mbps is $150. 12/19/2003 - 2:15:49 PM --
Interestingly enough, sometimes it's cheaper to buy a small unmanaged switch with a fiber uplink port than to buy a media converter... this message has been intercepted __________________________________________________________ This message was scanned by GatewayDefender 12/19/2003 - 2:19:13 PM
R> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:05:55 -0800 R> From: Roy (CC list trimmed) R> Media converters are much cheaper than specialized FX cards R> like these. A 10Mbps converters are just $99 each and 100Mbps R> is $150. Definitely more attractive than the work needed to prevent ground loops when using copper. Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita _________________________________________________________________ DO NOT send mail to the following addresses : blacklist@brics.com -or- alfra@intc.net -or- curbjmp@intc.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked.
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake "Claydon, Tom" <Tom.Claydon@DobsonTelco.net>
Yep. There's plenty of fiber between the two buildings, so we may go that route. Anyone know if there's any easy way to limit bandwidth on the PA-POS-OC3 adapters?
PA-POS-OC3MM $6000/card $38.71/Mbit PA-FE-FX $3200/card $32.00/Mbit PA-2FE-FX $5000/card $25.00/Mbit
Why muck with SONET unless necessary?
I've seen PA-FE-FX for ~$200 on ebay recently, where did $3200 come from? Also, I've seen the POSIP SM OC3 cards come up for fairly cheap too, so I don't see why you'd want the multimode ones...
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