Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:59:26 -0400, Jay Ashworth said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57453738-83/fbi-dea-warn-ipv6-could-shield-...
The article sure does have a lot of threatening and smack-down tones toward service providers (us): "We're looking at a problem that's about to occur,""It occurs as service providers start to roll out V6." Our fault, no one else's... ------------------------------------ "This is not a question of willful rejection,""ISPs are happy to do this. They're just lazy...It doesn't have a direct impact on them and their ability to get new address space because they don't need new address space." Yep, we're definitely the lazy ones. No one else. ------------------------------------ "We're hoping through all of this you can come up with some self-regulatory method in which you can do it," "Because otherwise, there will be other things that people are going to consider." That's definitely a threat. ------------------------------------- "We're hoping that people in the community seize the opportunity to work and to have that self-regulation, because, if not, if all of the different governments then get involved, it could get uglier." Yeah, that one, too. ------------------------------------- Yep, that's the kind of attitude that fosters community cooperation. Yep. That's it... scott
On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:59:26 -0400, Jay Ashworth said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57453738-83/fbi-dea-warn-ipv6-could-shield-...
The article sure does have a lot of threatening and smack-down tones toward service providers (us):
"We're looking at a problem that's about to occur,""It occurs as service providers start to roll out V6."
Our fault, no one else's... ------------------------------------
Who else would you blame for failing to update whois?
"This is not a question of willful rejection,""ISPs are happy to do this. They're just lazy...It doesn't have a direct impact on them and their ability to get new address space because they don't need new address space."
Yep, we're definitely the lazy ones. No one else. ------------------------------------
Again, when it comes to failing to update whois, that's kind of where the buck stops.
"We're hoping through all of this you can come up with some self-regulatory method in which you can do it," "Because otherwise, there will be other things that people are going to consider."
That's definitely a threat. -------------------------------------
Reality is that we have always lived in an environment where adequate self regulation is the only thing that prevents us from being subjected to dramatically worse government-based regulation. So, as it is a threat, it is also a statement of the reality that exists. Personally, I think that the article is counter-productive for the FBI in what they are trying to achieve. It is interesting that not one ISP stepped up to say "Our policy is to keep whois up to date for our IPv6 delegations just as we do now with our IPv4 delegations." Had CNET contacted HE, that's the answer they would have received. Is it really so hard?
"We're hoping that people in the community seize the opportunity to work and to have that self-regulation, because, if not, if all of the different governments then get involved, it could get uglier."
Yeah, that one, too. -------------------------------------
Sure, it's a threat. In case you haven't noticed, threats are the primary tool of law enforcement. The FBI is a law enforcement agency. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Yep, that's the kind of attitude that fosters community cooperation. Yep. That's it...
When people carrying guns threaten the community, it does, in fact tend to foster community cooperation, at least at that very moment. Owen
Dave Edelman On Jun 15, 2012, at 16:43, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:59:26 -0400, Jay Ashworth said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57453738-83/fbi-dea-warn-ipv6-could-shield-...
The article sure does have a lot of threatening and smack-down tones toward service providers (us):
"We're looking at a problem that's about to occur,""It occurs as service providers start to roll out V6."
Our fault, no one else's... ------------------------------------
Who else would you blame for failing to update whois?
"This is not a question of willful rejection,""ISPs are happy to do this. They're just lazy...It doesn't have a direct impact on them and their ability to get new address space because they don't need new address space."
Yep, we're definitely the lazy ones. No one else. ------------------------------------
Again, when it comes to failing to update whois, that's kind of where the buck stops.
"We're hoping through all of this you can come up with some self-regulatory method in which you can do it," "Because otherwise, there will be other things that people are going to consider."
That's definitely a threat. -------------------------------------
Reality is that we have always lived in an environment where adequate self regulation is the only thing that prevents us from being subjected to dramatically worse government-based regulation. So, as it is a threat, it is also a statement of the reality that exists.
Personally, I think that the article is counter-productive for the FBI in what they are trying to achieve.
It is interesting that not one ISP stepped up to say "Our policy is to keep whois up to date for our IPv6 delegations just as we do now with our IPv4 delegations." Had CNET contacted HE, that's the answer they would have received. Is it really so hard?
"We're hoping that people in the community seize the opportunity to work and to have that self-regulation, because, if not, if all of the different governments then get involved, it could get uglier."
Yeah, that one, too. -------------------------------------
Sure, it's a threat. In case you haven't noticed, threats are the primary tool of law enforcement. The FBI is a law enforcement agency. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Yep, that's the kind of attitude that fosters community cooperation. Yep. That's it...
When people carrying guns threaten the community, it does, in fact tend to foster community cooperation, at least at that very moment.
Owen
Compliance maybe, cooperation not really. --Dave
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012, Scott Weeks wrote:
"This is not a question of willful rejection,""ISPs are happy to do this. They're just lazy...It doesn't have a direct impact on them and their ability to get new address space because they don't need new address space."
Yep, we're definitely the lazy ones. No one else.
this is indeed supported with plenty of evidence.
"We're hoping through all of this you can come up with some self-regulatory method in which you can do it," "Because otherwise, there will be other things that people are going to consider."
That's definitely a threat.
ignore it at your own risk.
"We're hoping that people in the community seize the opportunity to work and to have that self-regulation, because, if not, if all of the different governments then get involved, it could get uglier."
Yeah, that one, too.
ditto.
Yep, that's the kind of attitude that fosters community cooperation. Yep. That's it...
nothing else has worked so far. keep complaining and do nothing, the decision will be made for you. or you can fix the problem that has been festering for 10+ years. the choice is yours. -Dan
participants (4)
-
Dave Edelman -
goemon＠anime.net -
Owen DeLong -
Scott Weeks