Dorian Kim and his associates at CICnet have been gracious enough to create and host a list for discussion of cisco equipment, services, etc. as we relate to the service provider market. This list is intended to be much like the cisco@spot.colorado.edu list, except focused on service providers. This should help remove some of the cisco-specific chatter from the NANOG list (at least it provides a convenient place to redirect it which is potentially more appropriate). Here is the charter that we (actually Paul Ferguson) came up with: The cisco-nsp mailing list provides a forum for Internet Service Providers to discuss issues specific to cisco Systems product line implementations, both hardware and software related. While this list is not an official support vehicle of cisco Systems, Inc., both general and specific discussions are encouraged. Support issues should be directed at the usual support channels (cisco Technical Assistance Center, etc.) Subscriptions are via majordomo to cic.net, i.e. send mail to <Majordomo@cic.net> with the following command in the body of your email message: subscribe cisco-nsp <your email address> Alternatively, you can send to <cisco-nsp-request@cic.net>: with the command "subscribe" in the body of the message. thanks, dave