I work for a VAR and we are starting to have customers come to us to help with internet redundancy projects and they are unable to get address space from ARIN. What are the viable options here? I have read about secondary markets, transfers, auction sites, leasing, etc. Can NANOG point me in the right direction as to the most effective way to get v4 space right now in the US? And before we get into the whole IPv6 discussion, yes, yes, we are discussing this with customers as well. That being said, they still need the IPv4 space in the near-term. Thanks all, Clay Curtis
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Clay Curtis <clay584@gmail.com> wrote:
I work for a VAR and we are starting to have customers come to us to help with internet redundancy projects and they are unable to get address space from ARIN. What are the viable options here? I have read about secondary markets, transfers, auction sites, leasing, etc. Can NANOG point me in the right direction as to the most effective way to get v4 space right now in the US? And before we get into the whole IPv6 discussion, yes, yes, we are discussing this with customers as well. That being said, they still need the IPv4 space in the near-term.
Sitting in exactly the same position. IPv6 is great and all, but running my business natively on IPv6 means nothing to me if my customers can't reach me. -- Regards, Chris Knipe
Chris Knipe <savage@savage.za.org> writes:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Clay Curtis <clay584@gmail.com> wrote:
I work for a VAR and we are starting to have customers come to us to help with internet redundancy projects and they are unable to get address space from ARIN. What are the viable options here? I have read about secondary markets, transfers, auction sites, leasing, etc. Can NANOG point me in the right direction as to the most effective way to get v4 space right now in the US? And before we get into the whole IPv6 discussion, yes, yes, we are discussing this with customers as well. That being said, they still need the IPv4 space in the near-term.
Sitting in exactly the same position. IPv6 is great and all, but running my business natively on IPv6 means nothing to me if my customers can't reach me.
AFAIK you can still receive as much as a /24 from ARIN if you qualify under section 4.10. If you've already got PA space from ARIN then you need to start hiding things behind NAT pools and load balancers. In order to receive an allocation or assignment under this policy: 1. the applicant may not have received resources under this policy in the preceding six months; 2. previous allocations/assignments under this policy must continue to meet the justification requirements of this policy; 3. previous allocations/assignments under this policy must meet the utilization requirements of end user assignments; 4. the applicant must demonstrate that no other allocations or assignments will meet this need; 5. on subsequent allocation under this policy, ARIN staff may require applicants to renumber out of previously allocated / assigned space under this policy in order to minimize non-contiguous allocations.
Sitting in exactly the same position. IPv6 is great and all, but running my business natively on IPv6 means nothing to me if my customers can't reach me.
Dang! It is a bloody shame that the PTB (or was it the Cabal?) did not see fit to tell us this might happen some day so we could have made plans and made preparations and stuff. -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
In message <56295A09.5050204@cox.net>, Larry Sheldon writes:
Sitting in exactly the same position. IPv6 is great and all, but running my business natively on IPv6 means nothing to me if my customers can't reach me.
Dang! It is a bloody shame that the PTB (or was it the Cabal?) did not see fit to tell us this might happen some day so we could have made plans and made preparations and stuff.
And in the US +20% of your customers can use IPv6 to reach you.
-- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal) -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
If you need it long term and can afford the upfront cost, there is still plenty of space you can find for sale. If you are not quite sure how long you will require it or are on a lower budget, leasing it probably a better option. -Alex On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Clay Curtis <clay584@gmail.com> wrote:
I work for a VAR and we are starting to have customers come to us to help with internet redundancy projects and they are unable to get address space from ARIN. What are the viable options here? I have read about secondary markets, transfers, auction sites, leasing, etc. Can NANOG point me in the right direction as to the most effective way to get v4 space right now in the US? And before we get into the whole IPv6 discussion, yes, yes, we are discussing this with customers as well. That being said, they still need the IPv4 space in the near-term.
Thanks all,
Clay Curtis
We recently went through this. After looking around for a bit I found good prices with both IPTrading.com and IPv4Auctions.com. I ended up going with IPv4 auctions.com. The purchasing process was pretty painless, however before I did that I went through the ARIN pre-approval process which was their standard annoying level of verification. It took probably 4-5 weeks for the whole process (ARIN pre-approval, purchase, seller transfer time). I did some careful research on the available blocks from both vendors to try to make sure they weren't used for SPAM (and also simply asked the sellers). ARIN has a VERY helpful tool for this called a WhoWas report which you can use to dig into the history of the block. Joel Mulkey Founder and CEO Bigleaf Networks Direct: +1 (503) 985-6964 | Support: +1 (503) 985-8298 | www.bigleaf.net
On Oct 22, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Clay Curtis <clay584@gmail.com> wrote:
I work for a VAR and we are starting to have customers come to us to help with internet redundancy projects and they are unable to get address space from ARIN. What are the viable options here? I have read about secondary markets, transfers, auction sites, leasing, etc. Can NANOG point me in the right direction as to the most effective way to get v4 space right now in the US? And before we get into the whole IPv6 discussion, yes, yes, we are discussing this with customers as well. That being said, they still need the IPv4 space in the near-term.
Thanks all,
Clay Curtis
On 10/22/2015 07:24 AM, Clay Curtis wrote:
I work for a VAR and we are starting to have customers come to us to help with internet redundancy projects and they are unable to get address space from ARIN. What are the viable options here? I have read about secondary markets, transfers, auction sites, leasing, etc. Can NANOG point me in the right direction as to the most effective way to get v4 space right now in the US? And before we get into the whole IPv6 discussion, yes, yes, we are discussing this with customers as well. That being said, they still need the IPv4 space in the near-term.
Do they have IP address space from an upstream already? Then they can ask that upstream for permission to multi-home that IP space, and set up BGP appropriately. I did this at a Web hosting company a few years back, and it worked just fine. (Eventually my company got its own address space from ARIN and renumbered.)
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