-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Micah McNelly Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:59 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: sorbs.net
Nanog,
Anyone on the list involved with this project? I need to speak to someone ASAP. No, I am not going to pay your ridiculous fine.
"Third and finally, if you are really not a spammer, or you are truly reformed, de-listing is relatively easy. You donate US$50 to a charity or trust approved by, and not connected with, SORBS for each spam received relating to the listing (This is known and refered to as the SORBS 'fine'). " That doesn't make a lot of sense. It's an interesting answer to the BotNet spamming problem, but not really a solution, IMHO. -M<
"Third and finally, if you are really not a spammer, or you are truly reformed, de-listing is relatively easy. You donate US$50 to a charity or trust approved by, and not connected with, SORBS for each spam received relating to the listing (This is known and refered to as the SORBS 'fine'). "
That doesn't make a lot of sense. It's an interesting answer to the BotNet spamming problem, but not really a solution, IMHO.
It's just cynicism at it's best. I like people who can be smartasses without being asses, but this is ridiculous if they want to be a serious service, and cute if they are looking to make jokes. Gadi.
It's just cynicism at it's best. I like people who can be smartasses without being asses, but this is ridiculous if they want to be a serious service, and cute if they are looking to make jokes.
Gadi.
I totally agree. Although $50 is a little steep. I've seen people fly in to gargantuan rant -dare I say temper tantrum- over a $5 parking fine. One only needs to charge a fine of any type to get people worked up about it. A $5 "you were stupid, now pay here to get off the blacklist" fine would probably be much easier to deal with for a lot more people, but still be considered "No, I am not going to pay your ridiculous fine." (and there's not a darn thing you can do about it! I'm mad has heck, and by gosh, I'm not gonna take it any more!) by about the same number of people as before. The thing about running a dns blacklist, is that one doesn't have to be a serious service. One merely has to operate a blacklist on a whim, and certain [equally irresponsible] mail admins, fed up with spam, will use it no matter how ridiculous one's listing or delisting procedures are. On the flip side, when one finds their IP on a blacklist, it's nearly impossible to know how many servers are actually using the blacklist, so it's impossible to gage the seriousness of the blacklist entry. It's blacklist terrorism. And yes, I'm still kicking around the idea of a bgp route feed style "aggregation blacklist." I wonder if that makes me an "ip routing terrorist?" :-) -Jerry
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gadi Evron" <ge@linuxbox.org> To: "Hannigan, Martin" <hannigan@verisign.com> Cc: "Micah McNelly" <micah@style.net>; <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: Re: sorbs.net
"Third and finally, if you are really not a spammer, or you are truly
reformed, de-listing is relatively easy. You donate US$50 to a charity or trust approved by, and not connected with, SORBS for each spam received relating to the listing (This is known and refered to as the SORBS 'fine'). "
That doesn't make a lot of sense. It's an interesting answer to the BotNet spamming problem, but not really a solution, IMHO.
It's just cynicism at it's best. I like people who can be smartasses without being asses, but this is ridiculous if they want to be a serious service, and cute if they are looking to make jokes.
... and perfect if they want to become sentimental favourites with the nanas/nanae crowd/mob, which is what they're shooting for imo. how about they buy me a lollipop if i'm a service provider who just booted a spam source and needs ip space delisted? -p --- paul galynin
"Hannigan, Martin" <hannigan@verisign.com> wrote:
"Third and finally, if you are really not a spammer, or you are truly reformed, de-listing is relatively easy. You donate US$50 to a charity or trust approved by, and not connected with, SORBS for each spam received relating to the listing (This is known and refered to as the SORBS 'fine'). "
That doesn't make a lot of sense. It's an interesting answer to the BotNet spamming problem, but not really a solution, IMHO.
matthew@sorbs.net is who you want to talk to, IIRC. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free" --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
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