Also sprach David R Huberman
We're currently efficiently (according to ARIN's guidelines) utilizing a /20, 2 /23's and a /24. We apply to ARIN for space, and what do they say they'll give us? A /20. Period. Someone care to explain this to me?
It means you didn't explain your goals clearly enough, I guess.
What is there to explain?
If you demonstrate to ARIN efficient utilization of 21 /24s (as you describe above), you qualify for 32 /24s for renumbering purposes; a /19.
Go back and show them you've used 21 /24s efficiently and ask for sufficient address space with which to renumber and grow your business. You'll get a /19 every time.
Hello...I'm using *more* than a /20 right *now*. If I had 100% efficient utilization of the IP addresses that we're using *today* I couldn't fit into just a /20. I can't come up with *any* logic that would make sense to renumber into a /20. This information was clearly spelled out on our application. If the folks at ARIN are too dense to add a few numbers together, you'd think they'd at least drop us an email or a phone call and ask a question or two! Sheesh! There is *NO* excuse for ARIN here, what they've done with us has *NO* rational explanation. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
At 12:46 AM 12/15/2000 -0500, you wrote:
Go back and show them you've used 21 /24s efficiently and ask for sufficient address space with which to renumber and grow your business. You'll get a /19 every time.
Hello...I'm using *more* than a /20 right *now*. If I had 100% efficient utilization of the IP addresses that we're using *today* I couldn't fit into just a /20. I can't come up with *any* logic that would make sense to renumber into a /20. This information was clearly spelled out on our application. If the folks at ARIN are too dense to add a few numbers together, you'd think they'd at least drop us an email or a phone call and ask a question or two! Sheesh! There is *NO* excuse for ARIN here, what they've done with us has *NO* rational explanation.
Have you called them to follow up? Each time I've dealt with them, I've found them to be helpful and reasonable. I think they have a LOT of requests. The onus is really on you to contact them. Give them a call. I think if you go out of your way to clearly state your case, you'll find they aren't so bad and they will give you what you need. -Robert Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | Direct 973-940-6103 "A day above ground is a good day!" - J.C. Wunderlich
In ARIN's defense, I've found that a phone call to them, to discuss a non-standard application with an IP analyst, often works wonders. Try giving them a call and point out the disconnect. In these sorts of cases, they almost always do the right thing. - Dan Golding NetRail, Inc. On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
Also sprach David R Huberman
We're currently efficiently (according to ARIN's guidelines) utilizing a /20, 2 /23's and a /24. We apply to ARIN for space, and what do they say they'll give us? A /20. Period. Someone care to explain this to me?
It means you didn't explain your goals clearly enough, I guess.
What is there to explain?
If you demonstrate to ARIN efficient utilization of 21 /24s (as you describe above), you qualify for 32 /24s for renumbering purposes; a /19.
Go back and show them you've used 21 /24s efficiently and ask for sufficient address space with which to renumber and grow your business. You'll get a /19 every time.
Hello...I'm using *more* than a /20 right *now*. If I had 100% efficient utilization of the IP addresses that we're using *today* I couldn't fit into just a /20. I can't come up with *any* logic that would make sense to renumber into a /20. This information was clearly spelled out on our application. If the folks at ARIN are too dense to add a few numbers together, you'd think they'd at least drop us an email or a phone call and ask a question or two! Sheesh! There is *NO* excuse for ARIN here, what they've done with us has *NO* rational explanation. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
Hello Jeff, It seems your complaint has to do with renumbering and the allocation size your organization may have been approved for. I would be glad to speak to you about your request this evening/morning if you would like. If you email me a telephone number where I can reach you within the next few hours, I will call and speak with you about your request. Otherwise, please contact the ARIN registration services help desk tomorrow and ask to speak to the anayst who reviewed your request. (703) 227-0660 I'm sure he or she would be glad to speak with you. Regards, Richard Jimmerson Director of Operations American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
Also sprach David R Huberman
We're currently efficiently (according to ARIN's guidelines) utilizing a /20, 2 /23's and a /24. We apply to ARIN for space, and what do they say they'll give us? A /20. Period. Someone care to explain this to me?
It means you didn't explain your goals clearly enough, I guess.
What is there to explain?
If you demonstrate to ARIN efficient utilization of 21 /24s (as you describe above), you qualify for 32 /24s for renumbering purposes; a /19.
Go back and show them you've used 21 /24s efficiently and ask for sufficient address space with which to renumber and grow your business. You'll get a /19 every time.
Hello...I'm using *more* than a /20 right *now*. If I had 100% efficient utilization of the IP addresses that we're using *today* I couldn't fit into just a /20. I can't come up with *any* logic that would make sense to renumber into a /20. This information was clearly spelled out on our application. If the folks at ARIN are too dense to add a few numbers together, you'd think they'd at least drop us an email or a phone call and ask a question or two! Sheesh! There is *NO* excuse for ARIN here, what they've done with us has *NO* rational explanation. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
Welcome to the club. ARIN is commonly referred to by my peers as the "IP Nazi's"... Brantley At 12:46 AM 12/15/2000 -0500, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
Also sprach David R Huberman
We're currently efficiently (according to ARIN's guidelines) utilizing a /20, 2 /23's and a /24. We apply to ARIN for space, and what do they say they'll give us? A /20. Period. Someone care to explain this to me?
It means you didn't explain your goals clearly enough, I guess.
What is there to explain?
If you demonstrate to ARIN efficient utilization of 21 /24s (as you describe above), you qualify for 32 /24s for renumbering purposes; a /19.
Go back and show them you've used 21 /24s efficiently and ask for sufficient address space with which to renumber and grow your business. You'll get a /19 every time.
Hello...I'm using *more* than a /20 right *now*. If I had 100% efficient utilization of the IP addresses that we're using *today* I couldn't fit into just a /20. I can't come up with *any* logic that would make sense to renumber into a /20. This information was clearly spelled out on our application. If the folks at ARIN are too dense to add a few numbers together, you'd think they'd at least drop us an email or a phone call and ask a question or two! Sheesh! There is *NO* excuse for ARIN here, what they've done with us has *NO* rational explanation. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
ARIN has a (difficult) job to do, and from my experiences they do it well. 1) You need to follow their rules/instructions 2) You can never supply them with too much information. 3) A good attitude helps.
Welcome to the club. ARIN is commonly referred to by my peers as the "IP Nazi's"...
Brantley
At 12:46 AM 12/15/2000 -0500, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
Also sprach David R Huberman
We're currently efficiently (according to ARIN's guidelines) utilizing a /20, 2 /23's and a /24. We apply to ARIN for space, and what do they say they'll give us? A /20. Period. Someone care to explain this to me?
It means you didn't explain your goals clearly enough, I guess.
What is there to explain?
If you demonstrate to ARIN efficient utilization of 21 /24s (as you describe above), you qualify for 32 /24s for renumbering purposes; a /19.
Go back and show them you've used 21 /24s efficiently and ask for sufficient address space with which to renumber and grow your business. You'll get a /19 every time.
Hello...I'm using *more* than a /20 right *now*. If I had 100% efficient utilization of the IP addresses that we're using *today* I couldn't fit into just a /20. I can't come up with *any* logic that would make sense to renumber into a /20. This information was clearly spelled out on our application. If the folks at ARIN are too dense to add a few numbers together, you'd think they'd at least drop us an email or a phone call and ask a question or two! Sheesh! There is *NO* excuse for ARIN here, what they've done with us has *NO* rational explanation. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
Also sprach Dave Curado
ARIN has a (difficult) job to do, and from my experiences they do it well.
1) You need to follow their rules/instructions 2) You can never supply them with too much information. 3) A good attitude helps.
OK...but here's my problem now (after hearing from an arin person with some more information). My rant has changed from, "ARIN can't count." To, "ARIN doesn't/didn't follow their own published policies." ARIN's web site (at the time that we submitted our request for a /19, and at the time that the /20 was approved) indicated a requirement that the provider renumber out of the upstream provided space. Looking at the ARIN web site now...its hard to tell...I can't figure out from their web site whether we fall under the multi-homed requirements, or the initial allocation requirements, or some combination of the two. Suffice it to say that ARIN's policies are not exactly easy to understand for someone that hasn't ever dealt with ARIN before. I will be getting in contact with ARIN (hopefully today) with the contacts I received from this list (it has been a royal pain to get anyone on the phone at ARIN in the past) and hopefully get all of this resolved. Anyway...thanks for the information from everyone on the list...my estimation of ARIN has improved, but its still below water...we'll see how the phone calls go. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
Also sprach Dave Curado
ARIN has a (difficult) job to do, and from my experiences they do it well.
1) You need to follow their rules/instructions 2) You can never supply them with too much information. 3) A good attitude helps.
OK...but here's my problem now (after hearing from an arin person with some more information).
My rant has changed from, "ARIN can't count." To, "ARIN doesn't/didn't follow their own published policies."
ARIN's web site (at the time that we submitted our request for a /19, and at the time that the /20 was approved) indicated a requirement that the provider renumber out of the upstream provided space. Looking at the ARIN web site now...its hard to tell...I can't figure out from their web site whether we fall under the multi-homed requirements, or the initial allocation requirements, or some combination of the two.
You're right, the thing to do is to call them and ask for their help in determining the best way to work within ARIN's guidelines. Also, if you haven't already, be sure to read rfc2050. It's (probably) a 'must read' for anyone working with IP allocation issues. I too was surprised to hear you've had a problem reaching someone there. I have been surprised at how accessible ARIN is via the phone. apologies for the somewhat non-operational content, we'll take it offline.
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:07:11 -0600 Brantley Jones wrote:
Welcome to the club. ARIN is commonly referred to by my peers as the "IP Nazi's"...
You mean there are others like you? Depressing. We have always found the ARIN reasonable if you submit reasonable requests. I suspect there is more here than meets the eye. I am very skeptical about the quality of your... peer's submissions. Thank god we have an enlightened body administering the IP allocation. It could be far, far worse; I suspect it will be someday. regards, fletcher
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