----- Original Message Follows ----- From: "Fergie" <fergdawg@netzero.net>

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mentioned haven't worked at all. I'm just saying that there >has to be a better way than police-type actions on a global >scale. Also, I'm sure many more smart people

Personally, I think there is wiggle-room between what Gadi surmises (persoanlly, I think he is playing Devil's advocate), what everyone else may surmise as an effort into nothingness, and what Vixie professes (if anyone bothered to read what he forwarded -- I did, and very much agree).

I read it all carefully. Twice. I'm not taking sides here. Please don't put me in that position. I'm only beating a point to death. Common NANOG futility. You know the deal... :-)

I actually think there is _a_lot_ which can be, and should be, done.

What? That's what I'm trying to find out, but I'm not as smart as most, so I can only point out the things that I believe definitely won't work and why I think that. Hopefully by the application of flame to my butt by smart people for saying what I do will spark some thought toward the goal.

I actually think there is _a_lot_ which can be, and should be, done.

Turning a blind eye is unnacceptable, and right now, ISP's are in the spotlight w.r.t. doing just that:

There is _major_ room for improvement, so I guess the relevant question becomes: Are people part of the problem or part of the solution?

What's the measuring stick?

I get a 1984-like mgmtspeak feeling here. I don't know how to respond except with this attempt (in order): what are some suggestions for the major improvement, people are both the problem and the solution (as in everything) and the measuring stick is a noticable decline in the nefarious deeds on the public internet. scott