At 7:19 PM -0700 2002/08/26, David Schwartz wrote:

Every ISP I have ever worked for and every ISP I have ever used has eventually been convinced by me to come around to this policy. Do whatever you want by default, but let trusted/clueful people opt out of it and just get their IP datagrams from point A to point B.

As someone who has worked at AOL and the largest ISP in Belgium, and advocated policies like this myself, I would agree. But I wouldn't advertise anywhere that people can pay to opt out of the transparent proxy. I would instead require that they contact me on their own initiative. Once they've done that and I've got their signature on a contract that allows me to wield terrible punishment upon them if they violate it, then I'd be willing to move them to another network where they would be allowed unfettered access. Of course, they'd pay for that access, and it would be a different type of account. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)