On 2010-10-13 10:25, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/10/13/0044233/Dutch-Hotels-Must-Register-As -ISPs
I don't see the problem here, they are generally already outsourcing the "ISP" part anyway to a company, and that company is generally already a ISP. The only thing that might happen because of the wiretapping is that they cannot stick everybody behind a NAT anymore and thus maybe service might improve...... (wishful thinking eh ;) Greets, Jeroen
On 13/10/2010 10:41, Jeroen Massar wrote:
On 2010-10-13 10:25, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/10/13/0044233/Dutch-Hotels-Must-Register-As -ISPs
I don't see the problem here, they are generally already outsourcing the "ISP" part anyway to a company, and that company is generally already a ISP.
If I read the various links in the articles (most of them in Dutch), then one of the questions is if reselling services from an ISP, makes the reseller itself an ISP. The telecom regulatory body (OPTA) says yes, the association of hotel owners (KHN) says no. There are legal arguments either way. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician.
Okay, if we go down that road, that makes Starbucks, Borders, a number of restaurants, and any other place that offers publically accessible wifi (free or otherwise) an ISP. If they start to increase the burden on these businesses, expect to see wifi hotspots diminish. IMO, that classification would be a bad thing. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:04:19AM +0200, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
On 13/10/2010 10:41, Jeroen Massar wrote:
On 2010-10-13 10:25, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/10/13/0044233/Dutch-Hotels-Must-Register-As -ISPs
I don't see the problem here, they are generally already outsourcing the "ISP" part anyway to a company, and that company is generally already a ISP.
If I read the various links in the articles (most of them in Dutch), then one of the questions is if reselling services from an ISP, makes the reseller itself an ISP. The telecom regulatory body (OPTA) says yes, the association of hotel owners (KHN) says no. There are legal arguments either way.
Henk
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I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician.
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Okay, if we go down that road, that makes Starbucks, Borders, a number of restaurants, and any other place that offers publically accessible wifi (free or otherwise) an ISP.
The funny thing is that you actually want to be recognized as an ISP if you have transit traffic because it tends to shield you from liability if your customer does something stupid.
Oh I dont know. There's lots of hotels that charge something like 20 Euro for a day's worth of wifi [the same with paris airport] You can get a month's worth of high speed dsl for 20 euro. So, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, or however that translates into dutch. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Wayne E. Bouchard <web@typo.org> wrote:
Okay, if we go down that road, that makes Starbucks, Borders, a number of restaurants, and any other place that offers publically accessible wifi (free or otherwise) an ISP. If they start to increase the burden on these businesses, expect to see wifi hotspots diminish. IMO, that classification would be a bad thing.
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