European/Asian equivalents to NANOG?
There is, of course, worldwide input into the NANOG list. Are there equivalent and active lists for European and Asian ISPs? If so, how does one sign up? I'm giving an European routing tutorial and want to be able to refer students to appropriate lists/web pages on exterior routing in their regions. IEPG, of course, also applies. Thanks. Howard
There is, of course, worldwide input into the NANOG list. Are there equivalent and active lists for European and Asian ISPs? If so, how does one sign up? I'm giving an European routing tutorial and want to be able to refer students to appropriate lists/web pages on exterior routing in their regions.
IEPG, of course, also applies.
Thanks.
Howard
Here is the same data I provided to a couple others who are trying to reach operational people. They are not perfect but they do reach some set of operations staff. eof-list@ripe.net apops@ripe.net I'll also note that some lists restrict who can subscribe, based on verifiable origin. Note that having world-wide input into NANOG kind of defeats its purpose. --bill
On Sat, 5 Sep 1998 bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
Note that having world-wide input into NANOG kind of defeats its purpose.
Bill, It would really make sense to have a heirarchy of ops lists, as there are events/issues that have world-wide significance, and those that are more regional in nature. It is the lack of these that results in the 'misuse' of NANOG (plus the fact that most routes still transit the USA :-|). -- Chris Chaundy (Core Engineering Manager) connect.com.au pty ltd, Level 9, 114 Albert Rd, Sth Melbourne, VIC 3205, Aust. Internet: chris@connect.com.au Phone: +61 3 9251-3671 Fax: +61 3 9251-3666
On Sat, 5 Sep 1998 bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
Note that having world-wide input into NANOG kind of defeats its purpose.
Bill,
It would really make sense to have a heirarchy of ops lists, as there are events/issues that have world-wide significance, and those that are more regional in nature. It is the lack of these that results in the 'misuse' of NANOG (plus the fact that most routes still transit the USA :-|). --
Well, it sort of exists already. zanog - (south)Africa nanog - North America eof - European apops - Asia/Pacific Leaving out South America (onlybecauseIdon'tknow) The iepg list covers global coordination, at least from it's CCIRN roots. YMMV. --bill
Well .... Lets fill in the E-mail addresses: zanog - (south)Africa (do not have it with me) nanog - North America nanog@merit.edu eof - European eof-list@ripe.net apops - Asia/Pacific apops@apnic.net enredo - Latin America enredo@reacciun.ve I've heard rumors of another ops list in the Mid-East/Gulf States.
From: "Barry Raveendran Greene" <bgreene@cisco.com> Subject: RE: European/Asian equivalents to NANOG? Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:52:05 +0800
Well ....
Lets fill in the E-mail addresses:
zanog - (south)Africa (do not have it with me) nanog - North America nanog@merit.edu eof - European eof-list@ripe.net apops - Asia/Pacific apops@apnic.net enredo - Latin America enredo@reacciun.ve
I've heard rumors of another ops list in the Mid-East/Gulf States.
In Japan, there is JANOG. however, favourit language of this list is japanese. Japan - JANOG janog@janog.gr.jp --- kuniaki
At 11:40 98/09/08 -0700, Dan Hollis wrote:
On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Kuniaki Kondo wrote:
In Japan, there is JANOG. however, favourit language of this list is japanese.
Japan - JANOG janog@janog.gr.jp
There are some gaijin on the list, and some posts are in english.
-Dan
Yes, that's true. And we are planning to invite some people from outside Japan in future JANOG meetings. Languages are different, but technologies are common! Takashi Arano Nippon Telegraph and Telephone, Corp Email: arano@byd.ocn.ad.jp, Phone:+81-3-5353-2016
Hello Everyone, Here's a summary and some more list. I've dug through my address book to get some more of the ISP Ops list from Asia. Still poking around for more - in case anyone knows of others - hint hint ;-) URLs and other information would be useful. I'll post the summaries. Thanks, Barry ---------------------------------------------------------------- ISP Operations - Mailing List for ISP Collaboration/Coordination ---------------------------------------------------------------- NANOG ----- NANOG is the North American Network Operations Group. Even though it is chartered to focus on North American issues, global Internet issues are periodically discussed. Many Internet engineers in Asia will "lurk" (sign on and just watch) to keep an eye on the happening in the US Internet. To subscribe, send a message to: nanog-request@merit.edu with a message body containing: subscribe APOPS apops@apnic.net ----------------------- Asia Pacific Operations will hopefully be the equivalent to NANOG. It is currently sponsored by APNIC to help get it going. If you have questions or concerns regarding Internet operations in Asia Pacific, please sign on and post. To subscribe, send a message to: apops-request@apnic.net with a message body containing: subscribe EOF eof-list@ripe.net ------------------------- The mailing list of the RIPE European Operators Forum Working Group. This mailing list discusses issues around European ISP coordination. (http://www.ripe.net/wg/eof/index.html) To subscribe, send a message to: majordomo@ripe.net with a message body containing: subscribe eof-list Japan - JANOG janog@janog.gr.jp --------------------------------- JANOG mean JApan Network Operators' Group. http://www.janog.gr.jp (Japanese) http://www.janog.gr.jp/index-e.html (English) You can subscribe to The JANOG Mailling list. If you want to subscribed to the JANOG mailling list, you may sent to janog-ctl@janog.gr.jp to write "subscribe" in mail-body. If you have been subscribed this mailling list, the JANOG Mailling list will send welcome message to you. For more information, ask secretariat@janog.gr.jp Korea - NOG nog@nog.or.kr ----------------------------- Korea Network Operators' Group & Measurement sub-Working Group http://www.nog.or.kr South Africa ZANOG zanog@zanog.org.za ------------------------------------------ Subscribe via zanog-request@zanog.org.za or majordomo@zanog.org.za Latin Amteria ENREDO enredo@reacciun.ve ------------------------------------------ Others ------ Australia ISPs aussie-isp@aussie.net Australian NAP nap@intiaa.asn.au Bangldesh ISP List bdinet@bangla.org Bangladesh Internet Community bdinet@outcast.com Hong Kong NSP Mailing List hk-nsp@cuhk.edu.hk Indonesia ISP apjii@rs.net.id http://www.apjii.or.id/ Philippines ISPs ph-isp@iphil.net New Zealand ISPs nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz Singapore IASP Working Technical Group iasp-wg@pacific.net.sg
"Barry Raveendran Greene" <bgreene@cisco.com> writes:
Lets fill in the E-mail addresses:
zanog - (south)Africa (do not have it with me) nanog - North America nanog@merit.edu eof - European eof-list@ripe.net apops - Asia/Pacific apops@apnic.net enredo - Latin America enredo@reacciun.ve
I've heard rumors of another ops list in the Mid-East/Gulf States.
In Korea, we have nog@nog.or.kr, and a home page at http://www.nog.or.kr. However, everything is written in Korean, so it is probably of marginal interest to most NANOG folks... Our Korean NOG tends to meet every other month (schedule generally depends on the host), almost always in Seoul. -jem
In Japan, as presented in NANOG11, we have JANOG meeting 2 times a year, everything is discussed in Japanese though. (Next meeting will be in Kyoto 18 December 1998) http://www.janog.gr.jp #to subscribe JANOG mailing list , you may sent to janog-ctl@janog.gr.jp to #write "subscribe" at SUBJECT field. Any questions reguarding JANOG, please contact to Mr.Takashi Arano arano@ntt.ocn.ne.jp. Emiko
"Barry Raveendran Greene" <bgreene@cisco.com> writes:
Lets fill in the E-mail addresses:
zanog - (south)Africa (do not have it with me) nanog - North America nanog@merit.edu eof - European eof-list@ripe.net apops - Asia/Pacific apops@apnic.net enredo - Latin America enredo@reacciun.ve
I've heard rumors of another ops list in the Mid-East/Gulf States.
In Korea, we have nog@nog.or.kr, and a home page at http://www.nog.or.kr. However, everything is written in Korean, so it is probably of marginal interest to most NANOG folks...
Our Korean NOG tends to meet every other month (schedule generally depends on the host), almost always in Seoul.
At 00:50 98/09/08 +0900, Emiko KOYAMA wrote:
In Japan, as presented in NANOG11, we have JANOG meeting 2 times a year, everything is discussed in Japanese though. (Next meeting will be in Kyoto 18 December 1998) http://www.janog.gr.jp
#to subscribe JANOG mailing list , you may sent to janog-ctl@janog.gr.jp to #write "subscribe" at SUBJECT field.
Any questions reguarding JANOG, please contact to Mr.Takashi Arano arano@ntt.ocn.ne.jp.
JANOG has an official contact address secretariat@janog.gr.jp. Of course, any question can be asked personally to me as Emiko wrote. Takashi Arano Nippon Telegraph and Telephone, Corp Email: arano@byd.ocn.ad.jp, Phone:+81-3-5353-2016
: Emiko KOYAMA <emiko@ntt-wt.co.jp> wrote as below : at Tue, 08 Sep 1998 00:50:02 +0900 ; : :|In Japan, as presented in NANOG11, we have JANOG meeting 2 times a year, :|everything is discussed in Japanese though. :|(Next meeting will be in Kyoto 18 December 1998) :|http://www.janog.gr.jp :| :|#to subscribe JANOG mailing list , you may sent to janog-ctl@janog.gr.jp to :|#write "subscribe" at SUBJECT field. :| :|Any questions reguarding JANOG, please contact to Mr.Takashi Arano :|arano@ntt.ocn.ne.jp. :| :|Emiko :| Thank you for this introduction, KOYAMA-san. Please contact JANOG at secretariat@janog.gr.jp , instead of ARANO-san privately :-), thank you. --- MAEMURA Akinori, a member of JANOG committee :|>"Barry Raveendran Greene" <bgreene@cisco.com> writes: :|> :|>>Lets fill in the E-mail addresses: :|> :|>> zanog - (south)Africa (do not have it with me) :|>> nanog - North America nanog@merit.edu :|>> eof - European eof-list@ripe.net :|>> apops - Asia/Pacific apops@apnic.net :|>> enredo - Latin America enredo@reacciun.ve :|> :|>>I've heard rumors of another ops list in the Mid-East/Gulf States. :|> :|>In Korea, we have nog@nog.or.kr, and a home page at http://www.nog.or.kr. :|>However, everything is written in Korean, so it is probably of marginal :|>interest to most NANOG folks... :|> :|>Our Korean NOG tends to meet every other month (schedule generally :|>depends on the host), almost always in Seoul. :| :|
From: Emiko KOYAMA <emiko@ntt-wt.co.jp> Subject: Re: European/Asian equivalents to NANOG? Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 00:50:02 +0900
In Japan, as presented in NANOG11, we have JANOG meeting 2 times a year, everything is discussed in Japanese though. (Next meeting will be in Kyoto 18 December 1998) http://www.janog.gr.jp
Maybe, JANOG is having english page. http://www.janog.gr.jp/index-e.html
#to subscribe JANOG mailing list , you may sent to janog-ctl@janog.gr.jp to #write "subscribe" at SUBJECT field.
Any questions reguarding JANOG, please contact to Mr.Takashi Arano arano@ntt.ocn.ne.jp.
Maybe JANOG Contact is secretariat@janog.gr.jp. Thank you. --- Kuniaki Kondo kuniaki@iij.ad.jp Internet Initiative Japan Inc.
Emiko
"Barry Raveendran Greene" <bgreene@cisco.com> writes:
Lets fill in the E-mail addresses:
zanog - (south)Africa (do not have it with me) nanog - North America nanog@merit.edu eof - European eof-list@ripe.net apops - Asia/Pacific apops@apnic.net enredo - Latin America enredo@reacciun.ve
I've heard rumors of another ops list in the Mid-East/Gulf States.
In Korea, we have nog@nog.or.kr, and a home page at http://www.nog.or.kr. However, everything is written in Korean, so it is probably of marginal interest to most NANOG folks...
Our Korean NOG tends to meet every other month (schedule generally depends on the host), almost always in Seoul.
On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
There is, of course, worldwide input into the NANOG list. Are there equivalent and active lists for European and Asian ISPs? If so, how does one sign up? I'm giving an European routing tutorial and want to be able to refer students to appropriate lists/web pages on exterior routing in their regions.
The nearest thing to the NANOG meeting in the Asia Pacific area is the annual APRICOT (Asia Pacific Regional Internet Conference on Operational Technologies ;-) conference, and the organisations associated with this have mailing lists, but the technical/operational content tends not to be as high as with NANOG (well, sometimes ;-) - lots of regional politics and policy issues. See http://www.apricot.net/. -- Chris Chaundy (Core Engineering Manager) connect.com.au pty ltd, Level 9, 114 Albert Rd, Sth Melbourne, VIC 3205, Aust. Internet: chris@connect.com.au Phone: +61 3 9251-3671 Fax: +61 3 9251-3666
participants (14)
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Alan Barrett -
Barry Raveendran Greene -
bmanning＠vacation.karoshi.com -
Chris Chaundy -
Dan Hollis -
Emiko KOYAMA -
Howard C. Berkowitz -
jem＠xpat.com -
Kuniaki Kondo -
MAEMURA Akinori -
Paul G. Donner -
Randy Bush -
Steven G. Huter -
Takashi Arano