Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in New York City. :). Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour. -M< ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall@gmail.com> To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon@ttec.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008 Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger is a good plan. Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP" printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves. Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central Park. Paul On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon@ttec.com> wrote:
Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
What are your recommendation regarding gear?
- laptop and charger only
- laptop with small bag
- the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
Thanks,
Joe
Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY. I gave basic smart tips for any big city. Just wear a Telx hat and you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get 'about it.... Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all! David The Host of Nanog43 in The City! On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in New York City. :).
Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
-M<
----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall@gmail.com> To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon@ttec.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008 Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger is a good plan.
Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP" printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves. Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central Park.
Paul
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon@ttec.com> wrote:
Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
What are your recommendation regarding gear?
- laptop and charger only
- laptop with small bag
- the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
Thanks,
Joe
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement. New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia. http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/chapter09_files/sheet002.htm I refuse to go to NANOG events in Florida - now there is a dangerous place as well as a foreign country ... Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic 1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com Wireless: 1-212-444-8829. Landline: 33-1-4346-3209. French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97. AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com rodbeck@erols.com ``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' Albert Einstein. -----Original Message----- From: David Diaz [mailto:davediaz@gmail.com] Sent: Thu 5/22/2008 9:13 PM To: Martin Hannigan Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY. I gave basic smart tips for any big city. Just wear a Telx hat and you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get 'about it.... Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all! David The Host of Nanog43 in The City! On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in New York City. :).
Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
-M<
----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall@gmail.com> To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon@ttec.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008 Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger is a good plan.
Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP" printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves. Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central Park.
Paul
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon@ttec.com> wrote:
Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
What are your recommendation regarding gear?
- laptop and charger only
- laptop with small bag
- the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
Thanks,
Joe
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is like saying "all routers are cisco" There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is valid.
There is no disagreement between Mr. Rubenstein and myself. :) Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic 1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com Wireless: 1-212-444-8829. Landline: 33-1-4346-3209. French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97. AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com rodbeck@erols.com ``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' Albert Einstein. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:alex@corp.nac.net] Sent: Thu 5/22/2008 10:06 PM To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is like saying "all routers are cisco" There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is valid.
Now that we have television shows like Miami Vice (which are available here in Paris in French), I expect the American public to be less biased in their views of New York. It is all a question of what cities are used as the background for the crime shows. :) Roderick S. Beck
A lot of it is common sense - New York is a GREAT city .. no question and very safe overall. But common sense will tell you not to take a leisure walk through Harlem at 3AM .. having said that, I've walked through Central Park (65th St.) at various times of the night and never had a problem, but then again that's different too... Travel in herds and mind your own business - don't travel at 3AM (on foot) and you'll be fine..;) That really goes for any city when you think about it... Take care, Paul -----Original Message----- From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:alex@corp.nac.net] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:06 PM To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is like saying "all routers are cisco" There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is valid. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and/or privileged material. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and then destroy this transmission, including all attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. Thank you."
The part of brooklyn where the meeting is being held is often referred to as MetroTech brooklyn: http://www.metrotechbid.org/ IMO, its a nice place to relax and get a feel for life outside of Manhattan. - ------------------------------------ Andrew Young Webair Internet Development, Inc Phone: 1 866 WEBAIR 1 FAX: 516.938.5100 http://www.webair.com andrewy@webair.com ------------------------------------- We are interested in any feedback you might have about the service you received. Please contact our technical support consumer care manager directly at 1.866.WEBAIR1 or e-mail customercare@webair.com ------------------------------------- On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 11:49 -0400, Paul Stewart wrote:
A lot of it is common sense - New York is a GREAT city .. no question and very safe overall. But common sense will tell you not to take a leisure walk through Harlem at 3AM .. having said that, I've walked through Central Park (65th St.) at various times of the night and never had a problem, but then again that's different too...
Travel in herds and mind your own business - don't travel at 3AM (on foot) and you'll be fine..;) That really goes for any city when you think about it...
Take care,
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:alex@corp.nac.net] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:06 PM To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is like saying "all routers are cisco"
There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is valid.
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The days of The Warriors (come out and plaaaaaaaYYYYYAAYYYYYY) have long since passed. As someone else said, a car would be a mistake, as parking in Manhattan at night is both very expensive and very scarce. On 5/23/08 12:28 PM, "andrew young" <andrewy@webair.com> wrote:
The part of brooklyn where the meeting is being held is often referred to as MetroTech brooklyn:
IMO, its a nice place to relax and get a feel for life outside of Manhattan. - ------------------------------------ Andrew Young Webair Internet Development, Inc Phone: 1 866 WEBAIR 1 FAX: 516.938.5100 http://www.webair.com andrewy@webair.com ------------------------------------- We are interested in any feedback you might have about the service you received. Please contact our technical support consumer care manager directly at 1.866.WEBAIR1 or e-mail customercare@webair.com -------------------------------------
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 11:49 -0400, Paul Stewart wrote:
A lot of it is common sense - New York is a GREAT city .. no question and very safe overall. But common sense will tell you not to take a leisure walk through Harlem at 3AM .. having said that, I've walked through Central Park (65th St.) at various times of the night and never had a problem, but then again that's different too...
Travel in herds and mind your own business - don't travel at 3AM (on foot) and you'll be fine..;) That really goes for any city when you think about it...
Take care,
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:alex@corp.nac.net] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:06 PM To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is like saying "all routers are cisco"
There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is valid.
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I hesitate to weigh in here, but my observation after several years of doing a fair bit of traveling to a wide variety of places is this: In any big city, anywhere in the world, there will be plenty of people ready with lectures on how "this is a big city, and is therefore a dangerous place. You need to be careful." Often, this will be repeated with escalating tones of alarm if it becomes clear that I've been ignoring it. Sometimes the claim will be that their city is especially dangerous, and sometimes the claim will be that it's dangerous just like any other big city. Sometimes it takes on the form of "this is a really safe city, but don't go out at night." It doesn't matter. Some cities really are dangerous, and some seem quite safe, but there's no quantifiable difference between lectures received in places that really are dangerous and places that aren't. -Steve On Fri, 23 May 2008, Paul Stewart wrote:
A lot of it is common sense - New York is a GREAT city .. no question and very safe overall. But common sense will tell you not to take a leisure walk through Harlem at 3AM .. having said that, I've walked through Central Park (65th St.) at various times of the night and never had a problem, but then again that's different too...
Travel in herds and mind your own business - don't travel at 3AM (on foot) and you'll be fine..;) That really goes for any city when you think about it...
Take care,
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:alex@corp.nac.net] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:06 PM To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is like saying "all routers are cisco"
There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is valid.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, I think the 0.02 take-away for this discussion is: If you don't feel safe doing what you are doing, or being where you are, then stop/leave. In almost any big city, it's really not a problem - there are lots of people around and things are usually ok. However, your intuition is usually a pretty good guide. A corollary is, if you are scared, even if the area is "safe" certain actors will pickup on it. Therefore, the simple act of feeling uncomfortable will probably raise the likelihood of you getting into trouble. Unless you've lived a very sheltered life, your "intuition" will usually give you warning WAY before you get into trouble. BTW - there are a lot of big cities that I have no concerns walking alone in at 0300. However, not all cities fit in that bucket. There are also places that you just don't go to even in the middle of the day. Chris On 23 May 2008, at 17.53, Steve Gibbard wrote:
I hesitate to weigh in here, but my observation after several years of doing a fair bit of traveling to a wide variety of places is this: In any big city, anywhere in the world, there will be plenty of people ready with lectures on how "this is a big city, and is therefore a dangerous place. You need to be careful." Often, this will be repeated with escalating tones of alarm if it becomes clear that I've been ignoring it. Sometimes the claim will be that their city is especially dangerous, and sometimes the claim will be that it's dangerous just like any other big city. Sometimes it takes on the form of "this is a really safe city, but don't go out at night." It doesn't matter. Some cities really are dangerous, and some seem quite safe, but there's no quantifiable difference between lectures received in places that really are dangerous and places that aren't.
-Steve
On Fri, 23 May 2008, Paul Stewart wrote:
A lot of it is common sense - New York is a GREAT city .. no question and very safe overall. But common sense will tell you not to take a leisure walk through Harlem at 3AM .. having said that, I've walked through Central Park (65th St.) at various times of the night and never had a problem, but then again that's different too...
Travel in herds and mind your own business - don't travel at 3AM (on foot) and you'll be fine..;) That really goes for any city when you think about it...
Take care,
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:alex@corp.nac.net] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:06 PM To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is like saying "all routers are cisco"
There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is valid.
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I cannot resist a tale told to me, in fact, by a service provider, who was at the Empiricon science fiction and fantasy convention in New York, some years ago. At about 3 AM, six attendees decided to go to a Chinese restaurant they knew was still open, and chose to take the subway. At the time, this was _not_ a safe transportation route. To compound their strange choice, they were all in costume. As it was told to me, they were joined by four young men, wearing leather, as is common to the Thief class in Dungeons & Dragons. Indeed, the laughing young men pulled out daggers, or modern equivalents, and demanded purses. At that point, things took an unusual turn. Some conventions allow no actual weapons. Others will allow certain items, but "peace bonded" with a symbolic seal on the scabbard. Three of the convention-goers were D&D players, and, as things developed, things went considerably beyond "That's not a knife. THIS is a knife." In this case, the three drew what were, indeed, not knives. They were swords. After the smallest woman in the group broke one of the young gentlemens' arms, with a firm blow from the flat of her saber, things became a bit confused...but, soon afterwards, the four young gentlemen were spread-eagled against a subway station wall, the waistbands of their trousers cut and hobbling their ankles. When the Transit Police arrived, had it explained that a sword was hardly a concealed weapon, the young gentlemen greeted the constabulary with great relief. You see, the remaining three convention-goers were admirers of Star Trek, and were suitably garbed. The young gentlemen knew only a bit about Star Trek, but just enough, considering their recent experience with true blades, to have absolutely no desire to determine, experimentally, if the leveled phasers were real. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE [mailto:cdl@asgaard.org] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:48 PM To: Steve Gibbard Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, I think the 0.02 take-away for this discussion is: If you don't feel safe doing what you are doing, or being where you are, then stop/leave. In almost any big city, it's really not a problem - there are lots of people around and things are usually ok. However, your intuition is usually a pretty good guide. A corollary is, if you are scared, even if the area is "safe" certain actors will pickup on it. Therefore, the simple act of feeling uncomfortable will probably raise the likelihood of you getting into trouble. Unless you've lived a very sheltered life, your "intuition" will usually give you warning WAY before you get into trouble. BTW - there are a lot of big cities that I have no concerns walking alone in at 0300. However, not all cities fit in that bucket. There are also places that you just don't go to even in the middle of the day. Chris On 23 May 2008, at 17.53, Steve Gibbard wrote:
I hesitate to weigh in here, but my observation after several years of doing a fair bit of traveling to a wide variety of places is this: In any big city, anywhere in the world, there will be plenty of people ready with lectures on how "this is a big city, and is therefore a dangerous place. You need to be careful." Often, this will be repeated with escalating tones of alarm if it becomes clear that I've been ignoring it. Sometimes the claim will be that their city is especially dangerous, and sometimes the claim will be that it's dangerous just like any other big city. Sometimes it takes on the form of "this is a really safe city, but don't go out at night." It doesn't matter. Some cities really are dangerous, and some seem quite safe, but there's no quantifiable difference between lectures received in places that really are dangerous and places that aren't.
-Steve
On Fri, 23 May 2008, Paul Stewart wrote:
A lot of it is common sense - New York is a GREAT city .. no question and very safe overall. But common sense will tell you not to take a leisure walk through Harlem at 3AM .. having said that, I've walked through Central Park (65th St.) at various times of the night and never had a problem, but then again that's different too...
Travel in herds and mind your own business - don't travel at 3AM (on foot) and you'll be fine..;) That really goes for any city when you think about it...
Take care,
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:alex@corp.nac.net] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:06 PM To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is like saying "all routers are cisco"
There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is valid.
"The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and/or privileged material. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and then destroy this transmission, including all attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. Thank you."
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i am greatly amused by all the poor country hicks so worried about having to go to the big scary city. when arriving, sweet virginia, please be sure to scrape that <bleep> right off your shoes. randy
On Sat, May 24, 2008, Randy Bush wrote:
i am greatly amused by all the poor country hicks so worried about having to go to the big scary city. when arriving, sweet virginia, please be sure to scrape that <bleep> right off your shoes.
Meh. I'm from the most remote pretend-city in the western world and New York seemed fine to me. The subway wasn't dangerous in midtown right out past three/four AM; there's always people going places and in general seemed friendly enough to answer questions (and ask questions; I had a native NY'er ask me how to get somewhere on the subway system!) I'm sure there are places which are labelled "Don't go at night if you're an unarmed middle-class white guy by yourself" but frankly, this place isn't anywhere near as bad as historically portrayed. I'm pleasantly surprised. :) (And annoyed that I'm leaving..) adrian
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is like saying "all routers are cisco" There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is valid.
the area in BKLYN where the Mariott is fine, its a one of the better neighborhoods - i believe its Brooklyn Heights, though can be confused with DUMBO and downtown brooklyn as they are all adjacent /christian On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net> wrote:
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is like saying "all routers are cisco"
There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is valid.
Probably if you stick to common sense, it will be o.k. If you see broken windows and/or lots of graffiti in the wall, probably I wouldn't go there. ^>^ Since you will be seeing more people in NYC area, you may get some stress to see lots of people, but overall it's not that bad. Just stick to your instinct, and common sense. Hyun Alex Rubenstein wrote:
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is like saying "all routers are cisco"
There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is valid.
On May 22, 2008, Rod Beck sent me the following:
I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/chapter09_files/sheet002.htm
I refuse to go to NANOG events in Florida - now there is a dangerous place as well as a foreign country ...
Interesting data, but potentially skewed due to population differences. New York City's metropolitan area population is 18,818,536, whereas Miami is only 5,919,036. Miami: 7116.2 per 100,000 = 0.071162 crimes per person 0.071162 * 5919036 = 421,210.44 crimes NYC: 2771.0 per 100,000 = 0.02771 crimes per person 0.02771 * 18818536 = 521,461.63 crimes So it's not really that there is less crime, there's just less chance of a particular person being the perpetrator or victim. Also, my population numbers are based on 2006 data provided by Wikipedia, and therefore are not to be trusted. -- Chip Marshall System Administrator Dynamic Network Services, Inc. http://www.dyndns.com/
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