Question about co-lo in APAC region
This is a pre-project discovery question... any help would be greatly appreciated. We have upcoming partnerships (opportunities) in APAC. The original plan was to place the hub in Singapore. Just weeks before everyone was ready to begin the RFP, it turns out that one of our partner businesses owns a Co-Lo in India. Not sure what the name or the size of this business is yet. While it would be nice to take advantage of this, we have potential partnerships in China and other areas of APAC in development... we are hesitating to put our APAC hub in India just based on latency and where the undersea cables run. So, I'm reaching out to NANOG... some of you guys have either worked with businesses (or work in provider space) in both India and Singapore (and elsewhere, such as Japan). Is there a clear reason to use/not-use India as a hub? What would the pros/cons be? Is there a clear advantage to using Singapore as we originally planned? Again, we appreciate the feedback. LFoD
Technical feasibility aside, you should consult with an attorney that specializes in International business and tax law. India is similar to China in that there are material challenges to doing business in those countries. For example, you can't get a license to operate as a foreign entity (although you can operate under someone else's license), you generally have to form a JV that is majority owned by a domestically owned company. By comparison, Singapore is a relatively easy country to get a license to operate a telecommunications business. Dave -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of c b Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 10:28 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Question about co-lo in APAC region This is a pre-project discovery question... any help would be greatly appreciated. We have upcoming partnerships (opportunities) in APAC. The original plan was to place the hub in Singapore. Just weeks before everyone was ready to begin the RFP, it turns out that one of our partner businesses owns a Co-Lo in India. Not sure what the name or the size of this business is yet. While it would be nice to take advantage of this, we have potential partnerships in China and other areas of APAC in development... we are hesitating to put our APAC hub in India just based on latency and where the undersea cables run. So, I'm reaching out to NANOG... some of you guys have either worked with businesses (or work in provider space) in both India and Singapore (and elsewhere, such as Japan). Is there a clear reason to use/not-use India as a hub? What would the pros/cons be? Is there a clear advantage to using Singapore as we originally planned? Again, we appreciate the feedback. LFoD
On 7 May 2015, at 2:36, Siegel, David wrote:
By comparison, Singapore is a relatively easy country to get a license to operate a telecommunications business.
+1 From an overall connectivity, stability, and technical collaboration standpoint, Singapore is generally a better choice, as well. ----------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@arbor.net>
Personal opinion: developing countries tend to have unstable utility service (power is what matters here), so your DC of choice in India should be Tier 4 preferably, which are hard to find and really expensive. Budget allowing, I'd stick to Hong Kong, Shangai or Singapore as you mentioned initially. These cities have pretty large financial services industries (which rely heavily on IT & telco in general) and large companies like Equinix/Digital Realty have already done the heavy lifting for you in terms of scoping a good location for an APAC datacenter. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 11:28 AM, c b <bz_siege_01@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a pre-project discovery question... any help would be greatly appreciated. We have upcoming partnerships (opportunities) in APAC. The original plan was to place the hub in Singapore. Just weeks before everyone was ready to begin the RFP, it turns out that one of our partner businesses owns a Co-Lo in India. Not sure what the name or the size of this business is yet. While it would be nice to take advantage of this, we have potential partnerships in China and other areas of APAC in development... we are hesitating to put our APAC hub in India just based on latency and where the undersea cables run. So, I'm reaching out to NANOG... some of you guys have either worked with businesses (or work in provider space) in both India and Singapore (and elsewhere, such as Japan). Is there a clear reason to use/not-use India as a hub? What would the pros/cons be? Is there a clear advantage to using Singapore as we originally planned? Again, we appreciate the feedback. LFoD
I would support this. I've had a hand in supporting infrastructure located in India and even with a relatively competent partner, some challenges in timely issue resolution. My current employer operate facilities in Singapore, Malaysia and China with a lot more success (comparitively speaking). Singapore and Malaysia are heavily favoured due to their large ICT and financial service industries as noted, also their english tends to be excellent and from a telecommunications perspective, they are reasonably well-served. If you want a reference to someone who can help you in SG, MY or CN, you're welcome to contact me off-list. I've also in a past-life worked with a partner in Japan, their service was excellent but there were more language challenges there for us poor sods limited to English. Cheers, Mark. On 7/05/2015 7:39 a.m., Rafael Possamai wrote:
Personal opinion: developing countries tend to have unstable utility service (power is what matters here), so your DC of choice in India should be Tier 4 preferably, which are hard to find and really expensive. Budget allowing, I'd stick to Hong Kong, Shangai or Singapore as you mentioned initially. These cities have pretty large financial services industries (which rely heavily on IT & telco in general) and large companies like Equinix/Digital Realty have already done the heavy lifting for you in terms of scoping a good location for an APAC datacenter.
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 11:28 AM, c b <bz_siege_01@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a pre-project discovery question... any help would be greatly appreciated. We have upcoming partnerships (opportunities) in APAC. The original plan was to place the hub in Singapore. Just weeks before everyone was ready to begin the RFP, it turns out that one of our partner businesses owns a Co-Lo in India. Not sure what the name or the size of this business is yet. While it would be nice to take advantage of this, we have potential partnerships in China and other areas of APAC in development... we are hesitating to put our APAC hub in India just based on latency and where the undersea cables run. So, I'm reaching out to NANOG... some of you guys have either worked with businesses (or work in provider space) in both India and Singapore (and elsewhere, such as Japan). Is there a clear reason to use/not-use India as a hub? What would the pros/cons be? Is there a clear advantage to using Singapore as we originally planned? Again, we appreciate the feedback. LFoD
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Siegel, David