"E.B. Dreger" <eddy+public+spam@noc.everquick.net> asks: | Although I generally agree, how does one keep QoS out of the core for CBR | and jitter-sensitive applications? Magic technology called SONET. In general, applications that really need CBR/ultra-low-jitter should stay on TDM, because it's the cheapest approach. Meanwhile applications which can benefit from the statistical multiplexing gain of the imperfect Internet (with occasional bursty loss and jitter) can migrate over to cheaper IP based networks. There are probably not very many applications which really need CBR/ultra-low-jitter: most that use TDM networks today work reasonably well across today's imperfect Internet with no QoS assistance whatsoever. As to the core: if there's no queue, there's no opportunity for (work conserving) fancy queueing. Does it pay to do work non-conserving fancy queueing? Does it pay to do fancy queueing on transients? Obviously if you don't, you can't perfectly simulate a TDM-based network, and thus can only make statistical promises about bit rate and jitter. I believe that for perfection it's cheaper to maintain a real TDM network than it is to use fancy queueing and fancier signalling to avoid and manage transient congestion in an IP based one. Sean.
"E.B. Dreger" <eddy+public+spam@noc.everquick.net> asks: | Although I generally agree, how does one keep QoS out of the core | for CBR and jitter-sensitive applications? Modern GigE/10GigE, properly implemented and deployed, can provide more than adequately low jitter for voice use. The ATM folks have their heads in the sand about this in a huge way. Ethernet is generally cheaper than SONET. However, modern WDM systems all have SONET interfaces and only some have GigE interfaces -- so for WAN use SONET might still be the better choice. In the LAN/MAN, GigE is a lot more cost effective approach, speaking as someone who helped deploy a whole bunch of GigE-based MANs in North America. For folks who want extra fancy QoS mechanisms, for whatever reason, some GigE vendors implement DiffServ in hardware with a full 8 queues/port and at least one vendor as an IP TDM approach that is implemented in hardware. Custom ASIC hardware matters here because it means that enabling QoS does NOT mean reducing the box's packets/second forwarding rate. Ran rja@inet.org
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