Config Backup / Inventory
Hi, I am looking for a bit of advice around configuration backup / inventory. We currently have a large multi-vendor network which is currently managed through two separate tools (rancid - http://www.shrubbery.net/rancid and ns4 - http://www.noodles.org.uk/ns4.html). Both tools do the job very well, but management have asked that we look for commercial alternatives that have a proper support organisation looking after them. IP Service Activator has been mentioned as something which can fit this role, but I haven't had any experience and I haven't heard a lot of good things about it. We are looking for a tool which is flexible that allows configuration backup to textual form for easy restoration as well as the ability to deploy scripted changes to the network quickly. Do people generally use free tools for network management or are there viable commercial alternatives? Thanks, Josh
Kiwi CatTools does a good job but I don't know how diverse you multi-vendor environment is. Check here <http://www.kiwisyslog.com/wrapper/devices-supported/> for supported devices. Orion NCM is also another product you may want to look at <http://www.solarwinds.com/>. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Eyres <joshua.eyres@gmail.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Config Backup / Inventory Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:25:05 +0100 Hi, I am looking for a bit of advice around configuration backup / inventory. We currently have a large multi-vendor network which is currently managed through two separate tools (rancid - http://www.shrubbery.net/rancid and ns4 - http://www.noodles.org.uk/ns4.html). Both tools do the job very well, but management have asked that we look for commercial alternatives that have a proper support organisation looking after them. IP Service Activator has been mentioned as something which can fit this role, but I haven't had any experience and I haven't heard a lot of good things about it. We are looking for a tool which is flexible that allows configuration backup to textual form for easy restoration as well as the ability to deploy scripted changes to the network quickly. Do people generally use free tools for network management or are there viable commercial alternatives? Thanks, Josh -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:25 AM, Joshua Eyres wrote:
Hi,
I am looking for a bit of advice around configuration backup / inventory. We currently have a large multi-vendor network which is currently managed through two separate tools (rancid - http://www.shrubbery.net/rancid and ns4 - http://www.noodles.org.uk/ns4.html). Both tools do the job very well, but management have asked that we look for commercial alternatives that have a proper support organisation looking after them.
Yay for management...
IP Service Activator has been mentioned as something which can fit this role, but I haven't had any experience and I haven't heard a lot of good things about it. We are looking for a tool which is flexible that allows configuration backup to textual form for easy restoration as well as the ability to deploy scripted changes to the network quickly.
Do people generally use free tools for network management or are there viable commercial alternatives?
A large large number of people use things like RANCID and / or some homegrown things... The people who are using commercial products (for the above role) are usually doing so because they were saddled with these requirements by management and / or are a windows shop.. As you say, RANCID is working well, maybe if you explain the costs involved in installing / migrating to and supporting a commercial product your management will see things saner? W
Thanks, Josh
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 09:25:05AM +0100, Joshua Eyres wrote: [snip]
I am looking for a bit of advice around configuration backup / inventory. We currently have a large multi-vendor network which is currently managed through two separate tools (rancid - http://www.shrubbery.net/rancid and ns4 - http://www.noodles.org.uk/ns4.html). Both tools do the job very well, but management have asked that we look for commercial alternatives that have a proper support organisation looking after them.
Since rtrmon waned and rancid waxed (97ish?), I've been a proponent and seen no support issues. Lots of commercial offerings (mostly vendor- specific) have changed or were from companies which folded between then and now. A non-trivial track record speaks volumes. [snip]
things about it. We are looking for a tool which is flexible that allows configuration backup to textual form for easy restoration as well as the ability to deploy scripted changes to the network quickly.
Sounds like rancid & par to me. :-) Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
Joe, If you're looking for a commercial solution, you might try out our Orion NCM product. http://www.solarwinds.com/products/orion/configuration_manager/ Ping me if you want any additional info. Josh -----Original Message----- From: Joe Provo [mailto:nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net] Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:11 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Config Backup / Inventory On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 09:25:05AM +0100, Joshua Eyres wrote: [snip]
I am looking for a bit of advice around configuration backup / inventory. We currently have a large multi-vendor network which is currently managed through two separate tools (rancid - http://www.shrubbery.net/rancid and ns4 - http://www.noodles.org.uk/ns4.html). Both tools do the job very well, but management have asked that we look for commercial alternatives that have a proper support organisation looking after them.
things about it. We are looking for a tool which is flexible that allows configuration backup to textual form for easy restoration as well as
Since rtrmon waned and rancid waxed (97ish?), I've been a proponent and seen no support issues. Lots of commercial offerings (mostly vendor- specific) have changed or were from companies which folded between then and now. A non-trivial track record speaks volumes. [snip] the
ability to deploy scripted changes to the network quickly.
Sounds like rancid & par to me. :-) Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
I am looking for a bit of advice around configuration backup / inventory. We currently have a large multi-vendor network which is currently managed through two separate tools (rancid - http://www.shrubbery.net/rancid and ns4 - http://www.noodles.org.uk/ns4.html). Both tools do the job very well, but management have asked that we look for commercial alternatives that have a proper support organisation looking after
Checkout Alterpoint Network Authority Inventory. The Inventory tool is free asn was developed as the Ziptie opensource project. Inventory is the basis for how Alterpoint does the paid offerings for configurtion audit and compliance and the higher level analytics based on the configuration and inventory repository that NA Inventory provides. The Inventory component is free but be prepared for sticker shock for the whole Alterpoint suite of tools. There is also ManageEngine DeviceExpert (not free, but inexpensive) and Solarwinds Orion NCM (fromerly Cirrus configuration management, also inexpensive) Sam Crooks GTS Network Architecture 701 Experian Pkwy B5302 Allen, TX 75013 972-390-3186 sam.crooks@experian.com -----Original Message----- From: Joe Provo [mailto:nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net] Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:11 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Config Backup / Inventory On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 09:25:05AM +0100, Joshua Eyres wrote: [snip] them. Since rtrmon waned and rancid waxed (97ish?), I've been a proponent and seen no support issues. Lots of commercial offerings (mostly vendor- specific) have changed or were from companies which folded between then and now. A non-trivial track record speaks volumes. [snip]
things about it. We are looking for a tool which is flexible that allows configuration backup to textual form for easy restoration as well as the ability to deploy scripted changes to the network quickly.
Sounds like rancid & par to me. :-) Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
Kiwi CatTools works well for us-and it's inexpensive. I've been very happy with it. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Eyres [mailto:joshua.eyres@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:25 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Config Backup / Inventory Hi, I am looking for a bit of advice around configuration backup / inventory. We currently have a large multi-vendor network which is currently managed through two separate tools (rancid - http://www.shrubbery.net/rancid and ns4 - http://www.noodles.org.uk/ns4.html). Both tools do the job very well, but management have asked that we look for commercial alternatives that have a proper support organisation looking after them. IP Service Activator has been mentioned as something which can fit this role, but I haven't had any experience and I haven't heard a lot of good things about it. We are looking for a tool which is flexible that allows configuration backup to textual form for easy restoration as well as the ability to deploy scripted changes to the network quickly. Do people generally use free tools for network management or are there viable commercial alternatives? Thanks, Josh THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHOM IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you.
We use Orion NCM here from Solarwinds - not only does it do backups etc. but also allows us to script changes, updates and IOS upgrades as well (after extensive testing of course). For example, we still have 50-60 Cisco 806 routers deployed at customer sites - takes about 20 minutes to do an IOS upgrade on ALL of them at once.... Paul -----Original Message----- From: Tim Sanderson [mailto:tims@donet.com] Sent: April 25, 2009 1:15 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Config Backup / Inventory Kiwi CatTools works well for us-and it's inexpensive. I've been very happy with it. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Eyres [mailto:joshua.eyres@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:25 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Config Backup / Inventory Hi, I am looking for a bit of advice around configuration backup / inventory. We currently have a large multi-vendor network which is currently managed through two separate tools (rancid - http://www.shrubbery.net/rancid and ns4 - http://www.noodles.org.uk/ns4.html). Both tools do the job very well, but management have asked that we look for commercial alternatives that have a proper support organisation looking after them. IP Service Activator has been mentioned as something which can fit this role, but I haven't had any experience and I haven't heard a lot of good things about it. We are looking for a tool which is flexible that allows configuration backup to textual form for easy restoration as well as the ability to deploy scripted changes to the network quickly. Do people generally use free tools for network management or are there viable commercial alternatives? Thanks, Josh THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHOM IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and/or privileged material. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and then destroy this transmission, including all attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. Thank you."
participants (9)
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Alex Nderitu
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Crooks, Sam
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Joe Provo
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Joshua Eyres
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Paul Stewart
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Shane Ronan
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Stephens, Josh
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Tim Sanderson
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Warren Kumari