-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Joe Provo <nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net> wrote:

The spine to do it left with suits minding the store & managing to the tune of fickle investors. For the same reason just refusing deaggregates has become difficult: the bad guys shield themselves by sitting in the same prefix/ASNs with sites your paying customers wish to reach. The suits are interested in - avoiding PR hassles - low call rates into the support centers - lower customer-churn numbers for their investor calls

Therefore anyone with time & energy to block badness where there is collateral damage rarely has the stamina or internal political capital to have the suits' spin machine on their side. More network companies that are privately held with actual technocrats at the helm might help bring a vision beyond commoditization and marketing.

Just a side-note: Rensys has an interesting blog article up today on this Atrivo/Intercage "mess": http://www.renesys.com/blog/2008/09/internet_vigilantism_1.shtml FYI, - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 (Build 3017) wj8DBQFI2uDeq1pz9mNUZTMRAjCxAKCFwIw4PahuGBTzbRwumog45mQp2QCg/K5D egFWNn4uBnN3Rfyi5Npjfes= =DvXt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/