Oh, the irony - all I get is: Access denied You are not authorized to access this page. I guess in the future the net is going to be exactly the same is it it now... Warren On Nov 16, 2005, at 5:09 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:

On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 04:42:41PM -0800, Randy Bush wrote:

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http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8673

Hrmmm... The future of the net? You mean, will crazy people continue to post crazy rants about things they clearly don't fully understand? All signs point to yes.

You can just call me Netstradamus.

-- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e- gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)

-- With Feudalism, it's your Count that votes.

Thought provoking article and the consumer side of the 'net is already heading there i.e. no VPN on many 'broadband' lines unless you pay for 'business' CoS (which I do). Does anyone here remember the Dow Jones Information service in which you are billed by the minute AND the service you access from a business point of view the consumer has had a 'free ride' for too long and it's time to start charging for the access to 'content' and hopefully the content as well. Nevermind that the unmetered pricing model facilitated the growth of the 'net to a point where it was 'commercially viable' all the wall street model rewards is consistent growth quarter over quarter and with a finite number of households eventually growth with slow and eventually stop now the only way to facilitate growth will be to be 'bill by the byte'. The fact that this model has been a commercial failure in the wireless market in the US as the '3G services i.e. internet access. data transport are too expensive at 0.05/cents kbyte even for most business as it is not feasible to 'budget' your data needs. The US will continue to fall further behind the rest of the world as the business community attempts to monetize the innovations. Where the rest of the world will continue to invent new stuff and at the current rate the 'Next Big Thing' will not be from the US. Scott C. McGrath On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

In message <053F36EB-04C4-4FC4-8081-FF41F6F5D178@kumari.net>, Warren Kumari wri tes:

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Oh, the irony - all I get is:

Access denied You are not authorized to access this page.

Same here.

--Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

I hit it right after randy posted it and read the whole thing...very good very rich ...filled with links and yeah now its gone and the text seems not to be retrievable from my cache. Doc Searles will surely say what the heck happened??? spooky and i agree with the kevin werbach quote - be very afraid. ============================================================= The COOK Report on Internet Protocol, 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA 609 882-2572 (PSTN) 415 651-4147 (Lingo) cook@cookreport.com Subscription info: http://cookreport.com/subscriptions.shtml IMS and an Internet Economic & Business Model at: http://cookreport.com/14.09.shtml ============================================================= On Nov 16, 2005, at 8:53 PM, Randy Bush wrote:

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Oh, the irony - all I get is: Access denied You are not authorized to access this page. I guess in the future the net is going to be exactly the same is it it now...

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http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8673

same here not half an hour after i read it at that url

i guess the sbc ceo did not like the article. too bad, as the first third was *very* well framed, if a bit on the hyperbolic.

perhaps someone with connections at linuxjournal can sort this out for us. i'm a bsd user.

randy

and it still is in mine!!!! the print edition doesn't have clickable links, but is also a fine resource. --bill On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:08:26PM -0500, Gordon Cook wrote:

I hit it right after randy posted it and read the whole thing...very good very rich ...filled with links and yeah

now its gone and the text seems not to be retrievable from my cache.

Doc Searles will surely say what the heck happened??? spooky

and i agree with the kevin werbach quote - be very afraid. ============================================================= The COOK Report on Internet Protocol, 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA 609 882-2572 (PSTN) 415 651-4147 (Lingo) cook@cookreport.com Subscription info: http://cookreport.com/subscriptions.shtml IMS and an Internet Economic & Business Model at: http://cookreport.com/14.09.shtml =============================================================

On Nov 16, 2005, at 8:53 PM, Randy Bush wrote:

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Oh, the irony - all I get is: Access denied You are not authorized to access this page. I guess in the future the net is going to be exactly the same is it it now...

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http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8673

same here not half an hour after i read it at that url

i guess the sbc ceo did not like the article. too bad, as the first third was *very* well framed, if a bit on the hyperbolic.

perhaps someone with connections at linuxjournal can sort this out for us. i'm a bsd user.

randy

On 16.11 21:33, Bubba Parker wrote:

Seems to be back up now.

At this time I got "Linux Journal Is Currently Unavailable Due to a Denial of Service (DoS) Attack Sorry for any inconvenience." Interesting. At first sight I though that was why Randy posted the URL under "future of the net" ;-) ;-) ;-). Daniel

On Nov 17, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Jeff Rosowski wrote:

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Oh, the irony - all I get is:

Linux Journal Is Currently Unavailable Due to a Denial of Service (DoS) Attack Sorry for any inconvenience.

I suppose the bells and the cable providers are DOS'ing them <grin>. BTW, it is STILL not clear to me that Vint is referencing the current HR draft. He may have been addressing an earlier version. If anyone knows for sure what draft he is referring to that would be helpful. Regards, Blaine