I spoke to a sprint salesperson about 2 weeks ago and was told that I could not get any kind of BGP4 peering with Sprint unless I had a Cisco 7000 series router.
This is my experience also, althought I was able to get my sales weasel to say that they might except a 45xx series if it had sufficient memory, as some "exceptions" had been granted on a "case by case" basis. As a reseller of IP services they will not manage my router for me, but said I still had to have a Cisco(tm) router, even if I'm not peering BGP. Jay Stewart Vice President Olympia Networking Services - "Olympia's Premier Internet Access" Phone (360) 753.3636 Fax (360) 357.6160 http://www.olywa.net/
I spoke to a sprint salesperson about 2 weeks ago and was told that I could not get any kind of BGP4 peering with Sprint unless I had a Cisco 7000 series router.
This is my experience also, althought I was able to get my sales weasel to say that they might except a 45xx series if it had sufficient memory, as some "exceptions" had been granted on a "case by case" basis.
As a reseller of IP services they will not manage my router for me, but said I still had to have a Cisco(tm) router, even if I'm not peering BGP.
Jay Stewart
I won't say there's "no way they can know", but basically they really shouldn't. If you disable incoming telnet to your Bay box and tell them it's a cisco with "cdp disabled", they shouldn't be able to tell the difference. Of course, you'd best know how the hell to configure the bay box if you want to go this route. Avi
On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Avi Freedman wrote:
I spoke to a sprint salesperson about 2 weeks ago and was told that I could not get any kind of BGP4 peering with Sprint unless I had a Cisco 7000 series router.
Someone is on drugs.. We BGP peered with ANS and Sprint via a Cisco 4500 with only 8mb RAM. The trick was the utilization of the Cisco "AS Prepend" feature were we routed distinct Sprint <-> Sprint traffic over the fractional DS-1 they provided, the rest of the traffic over a more local, and less expensive DS-1 connection to ANS. Later as Sprint advertised more routes we bumped the 4500 to 16mb. Patrick J. Chicas Email: pjc@unix.off-road.com URL: http://www.Off-Road.com -------------------------------- The Off-Road Center of The 'Net!
On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 01:45:57 -0400 (EDT), freedman@netaxs.com writes:
I spoke to a sprint salesperson about 2 weeks ago and was told that I could not get any kind of BGP4 peering with Sprint unless I had a Cisco 7000 series router.
That brings up an interesting question. I've been told now that I can in fact connect to Sprint, but am I going to be able to do BGP4 peering? The connection would be pretty worthless without that, as I have several networks I need to announce, and expect to get a full routing table back from Sprint. What is Sprint's official policy on this?
This is my experience also, althought I was able to get my sales weasel to say that they might except a 45xx series if it had sufficient memory, as some "exceptions" had been granted on a "case by case" basis.
As a reseller of IP services they will not manage my router for me, but said I still had to have a Cisco(tm) router, even if I'm not peering BGP.
I won't say there's "no way they can know", but basically they really shouldn't. If you disable incoming telnet to your Bay box and tell them it's a cisco with "cdp disabled", they shouldn't be able to tell the difference.
I considered that, actually. :)
Of course, you'd best know how the hell to configure the bay box if you want to go this route.
That goes without saying. If I didn't know how to configure it, I'd go buy a 2500 and let someone else manage it for me, like many other ISPs do. As it is, I'm quite familiar with how my routers work, and what their capabilities are. I wish other people were.. I'm always surprised when engineers from MCI tell me "Oh, Bay Networks can't do BGP4" (ignoring the fact that I *am* doing it with them.) I have two Bay BCN routers here, each card in the router has a 60MHz processor and 64MB of memory. One processor card is designated as the BGP soloist, and *all* it does is process BGP. If I want one, I can get a processor card that has dual PPC chips on it that will run as a BGP soloist. If anyone thinks Bay can't do BGP4, I'd be happy to give them a tour. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------- * Jon Green * Wide-Area Networking Technician * * jon@netINS.net * Iowa Network Services, Inc. * * Finger for Geek Code/PGP * 312 8th Street, Suite 730 * * #include "std_disclaimer.h" * Des Moines, IA 50309 * -------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 01:45:57 -0400 (EDT), freedman@netaxs.com writes:
I spoke to a sprint salesperson about 2 weeks ago and was told that I could not get any kind of BGP4 peering with Sprint unless I had a Cisco 7000 series router.
That brings up an interesting question. I've been told now that I can in fact connect to Sprint, but am I going to be able to do BGP4 peering? The connection would be pretty worthless without that, as I have several networks I need to announce, and expect to get a full routing table back from Sprint. What is Sprint's official policy on this?
No, you don't HAVE to do BGP4 peering. You could have them statically announce your networks and you can just default into them (doing ip-route-cache-based multiple default routes out of your network). In fact, they can statically announce your network AND still feed you full BGP routes as well. But a 2501 can do what you need fine to start if you only want to keep some of the routes at first (and throw the rest away). For example, let's say you take MCI routes from MCI; Sprint routes from Sprint; and default with an equal weight into MCI && Sprint. That can be done just fine on a 2501.
Of course, you'd best know how the hell to configure the bay box if you want to go this route.
That goes without saying. If I didn't know how to configure it, I'd go buy a 2500 and let someone else manage it for me, like many other ISPs do. As it is, I'm quite familiar with how my routers work, and what their capabilities are. I wish other people were.. I'm always surprised when engineers from MCI tell me "Oh, Bay Networks can't do BGP4" (ignoring the fact that I *am* doing it with them.) I have two Bay BCN routers here, each card in the router has a 60MHz processor and 64MB of memory. One processor card is designated as the BGP soloist, and *all* it does is process BGP. If I want one, I can get a processor card that has dual PPC chips on it that will run as a BGP soloist. If anyone thinks Bay can't do BGP4, I'd be happy to give them a tour. :)
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Do what Nathan did if they give you trouble (though they shouldn't, someone from Sprint said on NANOG it would be ok) - throw a 2501 in at first then swap it with the bay once things are running. Avi
Jon Green writes:
That brings up an interesting question. I've been told now that I can in fact connect to Sprint, but am I going to be able to do BGP4 peering? The connection would be pretty worthless without that, as I have several networks I need to announce, and expect to get a full routing table back from Sprint. What is Sprint's official policy on this?
You will be able to do BGP peering with Sprint. Sprint will not be able to help you setup your peering (on your side) if you do not have a Cisco router. The best Sprint can do to help you with your configuration is say "you should be able to do X somehow". As you stated in your email, you know how to configure your box so this is not an issue. -Hank Kilmer Mgr Sprint IP OPs Engineering
Subject: Re: Advice on dealing with Sprint From: Jon Green <jon@worf.netins.net>
I considered that, actually. :)
Don't forget mac addresses..
That goes without saying. If I didn't know how to configure it, I'd go buy a 2500 and let someone else manage it for me, like many other ISPs do. As it is, I'm quite familiar with how my routers work, and what their capabilities are. I wish other people were.. I'm always surprised when engineers from MCI tell me "Oh, Bay Networks can't do BGP4" (ignoring the fact that I *am* doing it with them.) I have two Bay BCN routers here, each card in the router has a 60MHz processor and 64MB of memory. One processor card is designated as the BGP soloist, and *all* it does is process BGP. If I want one, I can get a processor card that has dual PPC chips on it that will run as a BGP soloist. If anyone thinks Bay can't do BGP4, I'd be happy to give them a tour. :)
I can confirm that Bay routers do BGP4, and do it quite a bit.. :) RobS
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