By "The Art of War on the Internet" I didn't mean information warfare, that's been with us as long as there's been information and the internet is certainly going to be a major part of that. What I am against is anyone trying to popularize the idea of the internet as a battleground where one uses force and deception to "gain ground". It's just another case of people wrongly attempting to fit somthing that they don't understand into a framework that they do understand, thereby creating a fallacy. Trying to base a product off of a flawed idea is bound to fail but also likely be a major irritation before it does. GP -----Original Message----- From: Etaoin Shrdlu [mailto:shrdlu@deaddrop.org] Sent: 11 March 2004 14:58 To: Nanog Subject: Re: Counter DoS "Pendergrass, Greg" wrote:

I can see now that it's only a matter of time before some nut writes "The Art of War in the Internet". I read the whitepaper, it goes on a lot about how defensive policies are ineffective but doesn't really say why active response has never been tried:

Ask, and ye shall receive. http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/textbooks/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?us erid=2XH986JPUE&btob=Y&isbn=1581128576&TXT=Y&itm=1 I thought that someone mentioned that Mr. Forno was reputed to be on staff with these folk.

Their proposition is a terrible idea and their "rules of engagement" would be funny instead of frightening if it wasn't serious

I note that he also has a title from last year, which seems applicable here: Weapons of Mass Delusion (ISBN 158961111X) I will point out that I cannot take seriously a company (Symbiot) that depends on a shockwave plugin to put up a web page. Pity that they came out so aggressively; it might have been an interesting product. Hype can kill as well as sell. -- It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine only I set my mind in motion. Vodafone Global Content Services Limited Registered Office: Vodafone House, The Connection, Newbury, Berkshire RG14 2FN Registered in England No. 4064873 This e-mail is for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, you must not distribute, disclose, copy, use or rely on this e-mail or its contents, and you must immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised use may be unlawful. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged.