We have two POP's and a colo in Detroit. One in Southfield, one in Troy, both on the North side of Detroit. FNSI -> http://www.fnsi.net If anyone is looking for reliable access from a profitable regional player, I'll volunteer. :) K Paul Timmins <paul@timmins To: Brian <bri@sonicboom.org> .net> cc: Deepak Jain <deepak@ai.net>, jpalmer@utilinc.com, nanog@nanog.org Sent by: Subject: RE: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under (was owner-nanog@m RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions) erit.edu 05/30/2002 08:00 PM As far as I know, the following national providers exist in Detroit: (This is by no means, a complete list, and some of these aren't "Big Name" providers, but less likely to go under than John Q Random ISP) Verio Winstar XO AT&T Qwest Covad Level 3 SBC I've heard rumors of speakeasy.net, which I think resells internap I'm sure there's a few other national networks, these are just the ones I have heard of off the top of my head. -Paul On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 19:27, Brian wrote:

Surprised there isnt much connectivity in the Detroit area, I mean it is Motor City and all, I would think tons of manufacturing palnts all

telecom of some sort or other..

Bri

On Thu, 30 May 2002, Deepak Jain wrote:

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Clearly anyone in your market is buying from someone outside of your

market.

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The fees associated with reliability (if available) are a function of your geography. Large providers are concentrating on the markets that are making them the most money.

If you get a few networks in your area that want to save money on the cost of reliability you can run a couple of circuits to the next large market and try to knit together a reliable network and divide the costs that way.

My guess is that with more large providers on a profit-centered basis you won't see the same kind of pricing equality you have been seeing between Tier 1 and Tier N markets anymore.

Deepak Jain AiNET

-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of John Palmer Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:39 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under (was RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions)

Its just that they aren't local and there is no need to pay for a circuit all the way to Chicago. It seems that so many providers have moved out of Macomb county. Anyone have any experience with BigNet? We are talking to them now

-----Original Message----- From: Bill Woodcock [mailto:woody@zocalo.net] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:42 PM To: John Palmer Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under (was RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions)

> Who can one rely on for connectivity? In general and in the Detroit area? > I put out a request for bids on T-1's and all the national

needing providers

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were > way too high...

Haven't you just answered your own question? I guess if you think reliable service is too expensive, you're not in the market for reliable service, no?

-Bill