Re: Ethernet won (was: RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband...)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, andrew2@one.net wrote:
Sure, as long as you're willing to fork over the cash for CPE capable of handling OC-XX linecards. The service cost is hardly the only cost associated with buying that kind of bandwidth. It's amusing to me that we're worrying about FTTH when some of the largest carriers are still not capable of delivering ethernet handoffs in some of those same top 30 cities. Don't we need to get there first before we start wiring everyone's home with fiber and a small router with an SFP?
Bell Atlantic had ethernet access since the early 1990's, along with FDDI, SMDS, ATM, etc, etc, etc and whatever else various government agencies wanted to buy around Maryland, Virginia and Washington DC. Now AT&T, Qwest and Verizon have metro ethernet access tariffs in major cities in each of their territories. Ethernet seems to have won for data access especially for 10Gbps and greater.
I know I saw a reference to "...wiring everyone's homes..." in the exchange above, so... Perhaps, depending on the last-mile and the consumer/business distinction, but up through the late 90's, all that was available to consumers (at best) was ISDN in Bell Atlantic territory -- at least in Northern Virginia. I left that area around 2000.
If you've got the money, they've got the ethernet for you.
Unfortunately, "I want it" isn't a good business case.
True enough, and let's not confuse "business services" with "consumer services." The telcos/cablecos don't. :-) - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) wj8DBQFF928iq1pz9mNUZTMRAop/AJ9LTDxC/7zRYNLNy9kv3+cFegNaxQCfafQ8 vdPns/UKKR49VZWzy8wFeTE= =1lvC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 03:42:32AM +0000, Fergie wrote:
Perhaps, depending on the last-mile and the consumer/business distinction, but up through the late 90's, all that was available to consumers (at best) was ISDN in Bell Atlantic territory -- at least in Northern Virginia. I left that area around 2000.
If you've got the money, they've got the ethernet for you.
Unfortunately, "I want it" isn't a good business case.
True enough, and let's not confuse "business services" with "consumer services." The telcos/cablecos don't. :-)
- - ferg
perhaps not. but there is a real issue w/ the number of businesses that operate from the home (according to some numbers this is as high as 65% of all US business) and the telcos still retain a mindset of business areas and residential areas. It is not possible to get some "business services" deployed in a "residential" area. For example, the new AT&T wanted to charge me 45,000.00 for a 120meter build into my home... it was cheaper to lease office space and then they did the buildout for free. The MRC was/is the same. The point being, there are artifical constructs that define where "business" and "consumer/residential" services can be offered. persuading a telco, one home-based business at a time, that regardless of the zoning - there are really 65% of those apartments running businesses and want business-class services is an exercise in futility. --bill
Thus spake <bmanning@karoshi.com>
perhaps not. but there is a real issue w/ the number of businesses that operate from the home (according to some numbers this is as high as 65% of all US business) and the telcos still retain a mindset of business areas and residential areas. It is not possible to get some "business services" deployed in a "residential" area. ... persuading a telco, one home-based business at a time, that regardless of the zoning - there are really 65% of those apartments running businesses and want business-class services is an exercise in futility.
It depends what "business" services you mean. If you want a T1 or SONET pipe, yeah, you're going to hit a serious wall even if the fiber runs through your property. However, most telcos have "business" DSL and "residential" DSL, and the physical layer is the same (ditto for cable, all the way back to @Home vs @Work). The only differences are the AUP, the price tag, and the ability to get static IPs. Expect to pay 2-3x for the same bit rate; higher bitrates may be available with "business" service, but the upload rates still suck because their gear is designed for consumers. Sticking with "residential" service for your home office will pay for basic server colo space somewhere else, and you'll get more for your money. S Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything CCIE #3723 are a great annoyance to those of us who do." K5SSS --Isaac Asimov
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:50:19AM -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake <bmanning@karoshi.com>
perhaps not. but there is a real issue w/ the number of businesses that operate from the home (according to some numbers this is as high as 65% of all US business) and the telcos still retain a mindset of business areas and residential areas. It is not possible to get some "business services" deployed in a "residential" area. ... persuading a telco, one home-based business at a time, that regardless of the zoning - there are really 65% of those apartments running businesses and want business-class services is an exercise in futility.
It depends what "business" services you mean. If you want a T1 or SONET pipe, yeah, you're going to hit a serious wall even if the fiber runs through your property.
However, most telcos have "business" DSL and "residential" DSL, and the physical layer is the same (ditto for cable, all the way back to @Home vs @Work). The only differences are the AUP, the price tag, and the ability to get static IPs. Expect to pay 2-3x for the same bit rate; higher bitrates may be available with "business" service, but the upload rates still suck because their gear is designed for consumers. Sticking with "residential" service for your home office will pay for basic server colo space somewhere else, and you'll get more for your money.
S
Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything CCIE #3723 are a great annoyance to those of us who do." K5SSS --Isaac Asimov
dark/dim glass - don't want SONET, too expensive. want 1g - 10G to the meet-me. I should move to Stockholm, Tokyo, Seoul, or some other enlightened place that sees that type of service in a viable business model. No bundling please. --bill
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