RE: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now.
|> From: Barney Wolff [mailto:barney@databus.com] |> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:39 PM |> In the long run Islam will have to purge itself of its |> Crusaders, just |> as other religions largely have. The war is not against Islam but |> against a set of murderous fanatics, and it would be foolish indeed |> NOT to hate them. It would be foolish to hate them. Hate clouds the judgement. Measured deadly force will be sufficient. No more and no less. We are capable of a great deal of precision these days. Sloppyness shouldn't be tolerated. Contrary to randy's statement, our society has become increasingly more effective against terrorists and guerrillas. Sadly, it is because more and more of our planet is now inhabited. Where one used to be able to hide a 100,000 man army, one can no longer hide a lit match, without some satellite finding it or some wanker complaining about it to the local constabulary. Both terrorists and guerillas depend on being able to hide. That is increasingly more difficult, ask the Columbian drug cartels.
Roeland Precision surgical attacks require good intelligence on the target (As it's no use having a cruise missile that can pass through a window if you don't know which window to go through to blow up your target) Unfortunately it seems the US doesn't have good intelligence on the people/group(s) behind the attack - otherwise it wouldn't have happened (or at least not been such a terrible "success" ) On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote:
|> From: Barney Wolff [mailto:barney@databus.com] |> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:39 PM
|> In the long run Islam will have to purge itself of its |> Crusaders, just |> as other religions largely have. The war is not against Islam but |> against a set of murderous fanatics, and it would be foolish indeed |> NOT to hate them.
A rather _large_ set of "murderous fanatics" many of whom are brainwashed into believing that if dey as a "Shahid" they will go to paradise where they will have 72 black-eyed virgins waiting for them in heaven & have the privilege of being able to request family members go to heaven too (even if un-deserving ) NOTE: I'm not an expert on this not but 1) It seems that a suicide bomber apprehended in Israel en-route to target padded his genitilia so it would be up to the task in heaven despite the explosion 2) You may find it interesting too look up the source of the word "assassin" Say <http://www.geocities.com/skews_me/assassin.html>
It would be foolish to hate them. Hate clouds the judgement. Measured deadly force will be sufficient. No more and no less. We are capable of a great deal of precision these days. Sloppyness shouldn't be tolerated.
Contrary to randy's statement, our society has become increasingly more effective against terrorists and guerrillas. Sadly, it is because more and more of our planet is now inhabited. Where one used to be able to hide a 100,000 man army, one can no longer hide a lit match, without some satellite finding it or some wanker complaining about it to the local constabulary. Both terrorists and guerillas depend on being able to hide. That is increasingly more difficult, ask the Columbian drug cartels.
We grieve, rightfully so, for the people we've lost and the damage to our innocence. We talk about their success, but as more comes out, it was probably considered an operational failure on their part. Consider that if they had truly succeeded, Colin Powell would be President and we may not have had a Congress left to declare war. Besides WTC ... I'm trying to decide whether Tom Clancy is a great novelist, or a psychic.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Rafi Sadowsky Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:42 PM To: Roeland Meyer Cc: 'Barney Wolff'; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now.
Roeland
Precision surgical attacks require good intelligence on the target (As it's no use having a cruise missile that can pass through a window if you don't know which window to go through to blow up your target)
Unfortunately it seems the US doesn't have good intelligence on the people/group(s) behind the attack - otherwise it wouldn't have happened (or at least not been such a terrible "success" )
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote:
|> From: Barney Wolff [mailto:barney@databus.com] |> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:39 PM
|> In the long run Islam will have to purge itself of its |> Crusaders, just |> as other religions largely have. The war is not against Islam but |> against a set of murderous fanatics, and it would be foolish indeed |> NOT to hate them.
A rather _large_ set of "murderous fanatics" many of whom are brainwashed into believing that if dey as a "Shahid" they will go to paradise where they will have 72 black-eyed virgins waiting for them in heaven & have the privilege of being able to request family members go to heaven too (even if un-deserving )
NOTE: I'm not an expert on this not but
1) It seems that a suicide bomber apprehended in Israel en-route to target padded his genitilia so it would be up to the task in heaven despite the explosion
2) You may find it interesting too look up the source of the word "assassin" Say <http://www.geocities.com/skews_me/assassin.html>
It would be foolish to hate them. Hate clouds the judgement.
Measured deadly
force will be sufficient. No more and no less. We are capable of a great deal of precision these days. Sloppyness shouldn't be tolerated.
Contrary to randy's statement, our society has become increasingly more effective against terrorists and guerrillas. Sadly, it is because more and more of our planet is now inhabited. Where one used to be able to hide a 100,000 man army, one can no longer hide a lit match, without some satellite finding it or some wanker complaining about it to the local constabulary. Both terrorists and guerillas depend on being able to hide. That is increasingly more difficult, ask the Columbian drug cartels.
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