Dear All, Does anyone know if AWS amazon “cloudfront”, cloud flare, Microsoft … etc, hosting their servers on other party providers? just like what GGC and Akamai do by hosting their servers on other ISP’s datacenter! Regards,
looking at peeringdb -- http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=16509 might give you an idea where they are. mehmet On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Ahmed Munaf <ahmed.dalaali@hrins.net> wrote:
Dear All,
Does anyone know if AWS amazon “cloudfront”, cloud flare, Microsoft … etc, hosting their servers on other party providers? just like what GGC and Akamai do by hosting their servers on other ISP’s datacenter!
Regards,
PeeringDB will tell you where they connect. I do not think anyone puts stuff into PeeringDB when they have on-net nodes. In general, only the big three (Akamai, Netflix, Google) have significant deployments inside eyeball networks. Exceptions to every rule and all that, but if you pick random large eyeball network, chances are very, very high they have no one other than those three - if they have any at all. -- TTFN, patrick
On Dec 19, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
looking at peeringdb -- http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=16509 might give you an idea where they are.
mehmet
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Ahmed Munaf <ahmed.dalaali@hrins.net> wrote:
Dear All,
Does anyone know if AWS amazon “cloudfront”, cloud flare, Microsoft … etc, hosting their servers on other party providers? just like what GGC and Akamai do by hosting their servers on other ISP’s datacenter!
Regards,
I don’t think anyone really would tell where their critical network assets are but obviously you can guesstimate by looking where they have connection points available.
On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> wrote:
PeeringDB will tell you where they connect. I do not think anyone puts stuff into PeeringDB when they have on-net nodes.
In general, only the big three (Akamai, Netflix, Google) have significant deployments inside eyeball networks. Exceptions to every rule and all that, but if you pick random large eyeball network, chances are very, very high they have no one other than those three - if they have any at all.
-- TTFN, patrick
On Dec 19, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
looking at peeringdb -- http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=16509 might give you an idea where they are.
mehmet
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Ahmed Munaf <ahmed.dalaali@hrins.net> wrote:
Dear All,
Does anyone know if AWS amazon “cloudfront”, cloud flare, Microsoft … etc, hosting their servers on other party providers? just like what GGC and Akamai do by hosting their servers on other ISP’s datacenter!
Regards,
I do not follow the logic. If a CDN says they have a gigantic peering node in DC, how does that tell you where they put on-net servers? Wouldn’t it make more sense to put servers on-net in OKC or SLC because they do _NOT_ have large peering nodes there? Locality is important. Akamai has thousands of nodes in a hundred or so countries. While they have a lot of peering, I have trouble thinking their nodes are all next to large IXPs. (OK, I know they are not, but let’s not get into that.) Plus this seems very US/EU centric. What about places without a lot large IXPs, like South America, Africa, South-East Asia, etc.? Finally, your logic seems a bit self-contradictory: “They won’t tell you where their big network nodes are. But if you look in this free, public database, you can find their big network nodes." -- TTFN, patrick
On Dec 19, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
I don’t think anyone really would tell where their critical network assets are but obviously you can guesstimate by looking where they have connection points available.
On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> wrote:
PeeringDB will tell you where they connect. I do not think anyone puts stuff into PeeringDB when they have on-net nodes.
In general, only the big three (Akamai, Netflix, Google) have significant deployments inside eyeball networks. Exceptions to every rule and all that, but if you pick random large eyeball network, chances are very, very high they have no one other than those three - if they have any at all.
-- TTFN, patrick
On Dec 19, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
looking at peeringdb -- http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=16509 might give you an idea where they are.
mehmet
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Ahmed Munaf <ahmed.dalaali@hrins.net> wrote:
Dear All,
Does anyone know if AWS amazon “cloudfront”, cloud flare, Microsoft … etc, hosting their servers on other party providers? just like what GGC and Akamai do by hosting their servers on other ISP’s datacenter!
Regards,
I think we both agree there is no perfect publication of where their servers actually are Given Ahmed is asking "Does anyone know if AWS amazon “cloudfront”, cloud flare, Microsoft … etc, hosting their servers on other party providers?” i think the answer you given which is
In general, only the big three (Akamai, Netflix, Google) have significant deployments inside eyeball networks. Exceptions to every rule and all that, but if you pick random large eyeball network, chances are very, very high they have no one other than those three - if they have any at all.
good one Mehmet
On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> wrote:
I do not follow the logic.
If a CDN says they have a gigantic peering node in DC, how does that tell you where they put on-net servers?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to put servers on-net in OKC or SLC because they do _NOT_ have large peering nodes there? Locality is important. Akamai has thousands of nodes in a hundred or so countries. While they have a lot of peering, I have trouble thinking their nodes are all next to large IXPs. (OK, I know they are not, but let’s not get into that.) Plus this seems very US/EU centric. What about places without a lot large IXPs, like South America, Africa, South-East Asia, etc.?
Finally, your logic seems a bit self-contradictory: “They won’t tell you where their big network nodes are. But if you look in this free, public database, you can find their big network nodes."
-- TTFN, patrick
On Dec 19, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
I don’t think anyone really would tell where their critical network assets are but obviously you can guesstimate by looking where they have connection points available.
On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> wrote:
PeeringDB will tell you where they connect. I do not think anyone puts stuff into PeeringDB when they have on-net nodes.
In general, only the big three (Akamai, Netflix, Google) have significant deployments inside eyeball networks. Exceptions to every rule and all that, but if you pick random large eyeball network, chances are very, very high they have no one other than those three - if they have any at all.
-- TTFN, patrick
On Dec 19, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
looking at peeringdb -- http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=16509 might give you an idea where they are.
mehmet
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Ahmed Munaf <ahmed.dalaali@hrins.net> wrote:
Dear All,
Does anyone know if AWS amazon “cloudfront”, cloud flare, Microsoft … etc, hosting their servers on other party providers? just like what GGC and Akamai do by hosting their servers on other ISP’s datacenter!
Regards,
On 12/19/15 8:16 AM, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
I don’t think anyone really would tell where their critical network assets are but obviously you can guesstimate by looking where they have connection points available.
in general people who want to serve bits to your customers are going to be a little less coy about where there assets are. in particular the CDN bits are interested in peering nearer to your region of operation rather than further. http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/using-regions-availabilit... https://beta.peeringdb.com/net/1418 https://www.google.com/about/datacenters/inside/locations/index.html https://beta.peeringdb.com/net/433 https://www.cloudflare.com/network-map/ https://beta.peeringdb.com/net/4224
On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> wrote:
PeeringDB will tell you where they connect. I do not think anyone puts stuff into PeeringDB when they have on-net nodes.
In general, only the big three (Akamai, Netflix, Google) have significant deployments inside eyeball networks. Exceptions to every rule and all that, but if you pick random large eyeball network, chances are very, very high they have no one other than those three - if they have any at all.
-- TTFN, patrick
On Dec 19, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
looking at peeringdb -- http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=16509 might give you an idea where they are.
mehmet
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Ahmed Munaf <ahmed.dalaali@hrins.net> wrote:
Dear All,
Does anyone know if AWS amazon “cloudfront”, cloud flare, Microsoft … etc, hosting their servers on other party providers? just like what GGC and Akamai do by hosting their servers on other ISP’s datacenter!
Regards,
in general people who want to serve bits to your customers are going to > be a little less coy about where there assets are. in
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Hello, I believe Microsoft does that too, even if it's not explicitly written : http://www.microsoft.com/Peering/Caching Best regards.
Le 19 déc. 2015 à 17:13, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> a écrit :
PeeringDB will tell you where they connect. I do not think anyone puts stuff into PeeringDB when they have on-net nodes.
In general, only the big three (Akamai, Netflix, Google) have significant deployments inside eyeball networks. Exceptions to every rule and all that, but if you pick random large eyeball network, chances are very, very high they have no one other than those three - if they have any at all.
-- TTFN, patrick
On Dec 19, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
looking at peeringdb -- http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=16509 might give you an idea where they are.
mehmet
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Ahmed Munaf <ahmed.dalaali@hrins.net> wrote:
Dear All,
Does anyone know if AWS amazon “cloudfront”, cloud flare, Microsoft … etc, hosting their servers on other party providers? just like what GGC and Akamai do by hosting their servers on other ISP’s datacenter!
Regards,
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